General Discussion

By , September 30, 2009 6:18 pm

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  1. Racki says:

    On another note, the February Schedule Wallpaper is up, featuring Ladi Smid feeding Jarome Iginla.

  2. Racki says:

    Hey guys, a buddy of mine here at work runs a tattoo website. If you guys are into tattoos, check it out here: http://www.edmontoninked.com/

    Check out the forums section. Amongst many other things, they also have some portfolio’s for various artists there including some artists from this great tattoo shop called Crimson Empire. I got a tattoo done up there and it came out pretty damn good and was done by an apprentice for dirt cheap. Check it out if you’re into Tattoos.

  3. Racki says:

    So Chorney has been recalled (as mentioned earlier). Tencer says Staios is a ways away, he’s unsure on Smid, and according to the Oilers, Brule practiced today.

  4. Racki says:

    Wow, interesting story they just played on TSN:

    Div 3 game in Sweden. I didn’t catch the team names or the player names. One team was up 7-0. After just scoring two players slammed into the end boards, one looked BADLY hurt (lastname Svensson, and thankfully not THAT Svensson). Anyways, the other team’s player frantically waved the trainer over as everyone looked on in concern. The player eventually got taken off on a stretcher. After a delay, the hockey officials said the game must go on, with a full period left to play.

    The players were still rattled by the incident. Both sides let the puck drop, and then they skated off the ice (both sides) and let the clock run down.

    Interesting bit of sportsmanship shown by both sides and good story for TSN to show.

    Luckily Svensson (again not MPS) only suffered a concussion.

  5. zackman35 says:

    Hey Racki can you post a link, I wanted to watch it but couldn’t find it (or too lazy)…

    I had a weird dream last night that Souray was traded to the Kings in exchange for two players and a pick, last time I had a dream like that Gator went to Philly.

  6. gr8one says:

    So, Tencer is saying that both Brule and Comrie will be back in the lineup tomorrow, and to be honest I think that will be significant as IMO having them BOTH back creates a situation where the team can be more creative in line combos and also injects fair bit of skill back in the lineup.

    I think we start going back to at least a .500 hockey team, if not a bit better from here on out…that should still be good(or bad) enough to get us a lottery pick.

  7. MetalOil says:

    gr8one: So, Tencer is saying that both Brule and Comrie will be back in the lineup tomorrow, and to be honest I think that will be significant as IMO having them BOTH back creates a situation where the team can be more creative in line combos and also injectsfair bit of skill back in the lineup.I think we start going back to at least a .500 hockey team, if not a bit better from here on out…that should still be good(or bad) enough to get us a lottery pick.

    True but I think this injection of talent will be nullified when we start trading away skill from now until the trade deadline.

  8. gr8one says:

    MetalOil:
    True but I think this injection of talent will be nullified when we start trading away skill from now until the trade deadline.

    yeah, I was going to add something to that effect to my post, but really, how many times have we all speculated that trades were imminent because Tambi really had no other choice only for nothing to happen?

    lol…I hate how Oilers management has made me so cynical.

  9. Racki says:

    Yah I agree that Comrie and Brule will be a big boost to the team. May take a bit of time fore these guys to have an impact though. I wonder about Comrie though… he’s been out a long time and no conditioning stint. Might take some time to get his legs.

    And Zack, i’ll see if I can find it. Just saw it on TSN, so I don’t know if its on youtube or anything.

  10. zackman35 says:

    I’m enjoying the Montreal vs TB game, there is some blood boiling. What I enjoy more though is some of the fan base there.

  11. MetalOil says:

    There is a bit of a gap that is starting to form between the Oil and the Canes who won 5-1 over the NYR today. If I remember correctly this is the 2nd straight game that they have won by that score. They are starting to get Hot those Canes are :)

  12. Racki says:

    MO: wow, you’re right. For some reason I thought they lost their last game, but that was the one before it. And the one before that they won 5-2. What an offensive juggernaut that team is! :P

  13. MetalOil says:

    I may get laughed at for this one but this is just a thought and I not even sure if I would support it but do you think we might be able to trade Horcoff (plus more)to TB for Lecavalier? TB commented a ton of money to him over a very long term(7.7 million cap hit/season until 2020). I think seeing as TB is having lots of trouble even meeting its payroll that they regret this signing and have him on the market. They would maybe be willing to take on an under achieving player like Horcoff because his salary is just under 2 million less then Lecavalier and for a much shorter term.

    So are we desperate enough to dump Horcs that we would be willing to take on such a huge commitment(salary and term wise)???

  14. Racki says:

    I suppose it’s possible, but I find it hard believing we can move Horcoff until the 2nd last (or so) year in his contract when the salary is a bit cheaper. Maybe once Stamkos’ contract is due for renewal they’ll be more desparate there too.

    But hell, if they’d do that deal, I’d do it in a heartbeat. I’d sweeten that pot a fair bit too.

  15. gr8one says:

    I actually wouldn’t be surprised if the Oilers could put together some sort of deal that might get Lawton to listen, however, Vinny has a NMC, so even if TB management wanted to send hime year, I would be highly surprised if Vinny waived it to go from the Florida beaches to last place Edmonton.

    The thought has crossed my mind too though, so I certainly won’t be laughing at you.

  16. Racki says:

    Good point about the NMC… always forget about those. Boo-urns.

  17. Haboiler says:

    Vinnie’s having a decent point per game year this year. I doubt he would come but would be nice to dump off him and POS for Vinnie. Can’t see him giving up the NMC to come here but he would be a great addition and maybe kickstart him and us again. The extra 2Mill per year we can save by playing MPS, Eberle and Hall/Seguin for the next 3 years.

  18. gr8one says:

    yeah, Vinny is actually my favorite current NHL’er, would love it…just don’t see it happening.

    on another note, this is interesting, and to be honest not opposed to it at all, another year of development can never hurt, and why burn a year of an entry level contract so early?

    http://communities.canada.com/edmontonjournal/blogs/hockey/archive/2010/01/28/timra-hopes-to-sign-paajarvi-svensson-for-one-more-year.aspx

    I wonder if there was a way we could bring him over for like 9 games next year and then let Timra have him back?

    / edit

    mind you, upon thinking about, if he doesn’t end up playing in the NHL next year, he might be better served to be in the AHL, help Springfield a lot, plus get him accustomed to smaller ice and the North american style of play.

  19. MetalOil says:

    So it does indeed look like Vinny will be on the market very soon.
    http://thehockeynews.com/articles/31117-Sources-sale-of-Lightning-to-Jeffrey-Vinik-in-the-works-Lecavaliers-future-with-team-uncertain.html Come on Oilers this is the guy who could take a few year off of the rebuild. Get er done Tamby!!!!! Of course Vinny would have to waive his NTC.

  20. NorwegianOiler says:

    I don’t think Lecavalier is the man the Oilers should pursue at all, for starters just because of his age and salary. If there is to be long term sustainable success, give up the current star ideas, think of the future. In addition, while Lecavalier certainly is a good player, I don’t see him having the backbone to elevate the team to any significant degree. He’s simply disinterested in his own zone, quite inconsistent and rather soft.

  21. MetalOil says:

    but if we could(and it is a big IF I will admit) flip Horcoff to the Lightning I think it should be done.

  22. NorwegianOiler says:

    Well, I think that would still be a detrimental trade-off, seeing as Lecavalier is locked down with a deal ending in 2019–20, with a 7.7M cap hit. It would be a gigantic step to move Horcoff at this point, but bringing in Lecavalier with his salary would make it sideways at best. With an uncertain cap future, the huge spectrum of uncertainties in the market as it is, why take on such a deal? I’d rather let Horcoff’s deal run out or look for better options.

    At this point I think moves like that should be buried for good. Think long term, young players, core building and toughness in character (as well as physique). Lecavalier does not fit the bill in my opinion.

  23. MetalOil says:

    I can totally understand those points NO but I feel that Horcoff is such a big hindrance on team right now that I would be willing to make this move. True he does have an big cap hit that lasts the whole decade but I also think that Vinny will at bare minimum put up at least Horcoff like numbers for the entire course of the deal and we will probable get his current point per game pace for another 5-6 years and then once he starts to decline he will at least provide vital leadership to this team. We will still need some veteran leadership going forward.

  24. NorwegianOiler says:

    I don’t see Horcoff as the hindrance you do, but just a fragment of the issue. His salary is only a problem once it prevents us from signing better players than he is, which at the moment is not really the case. We have a plethora of options going forward that will enable us to shed salary and not take on an albatross (at least not a long term one) in the process. At 2.2M MORE than Horcoff, with an additional 5 years on the length makes me cringe at the idea of Lecavalier. He is a player that could help us win a few more games now, but alone he will at best just lengthen the building process and eat money while doing it. Finding veteran leadership can be done via cheaper options, free agents that are in their twilights, but at considerably more favourable contract lengths and not least, bringing in players with what I gauge to be more spine than Lecavalier (whose disinterest and lack of on-ice commitment baffles me at times).

    It’s all about long term philosophy of course, but in my view Horcoff is not going to be much of an issue if he’s properly utilised and people stop focusing on the salary – until it actually means something. Right now, with us possibly moving players like Souary, Moreau or Staios, (with Pisani being a pending UFA) we’ll shed enough salary to be able to sign the players that will make an impact in the future. Until then, no more gross overpayments and short term planning. :D

  25. Mr.Majestyk says:

    I’d be completely on board with landing Vinny in a trade. Especially if it meant that we unloaded Horcoff’s salary onto the Lightning. I’ve long held the belief that we need a elite scoring center with size. Some people aren’t classifying Lecavalier as elite these days but he’s so much more of an upgrade on Horcoff its not funny. Just my opinion of course. You spend more on players that can do things that most others can’t do, no matter how hard they work. Guys like Horcoff can be had cheap. The idea of having Vinny playing with Penner and Hemsky…sounds good to me.

  26. Racki says:

    Fully agree with you Mr. M. I can see your point though N.O.. Really, Lecavalier is an epically large upgrade on Horcoff. Horcoff has been a big funk right now. I have always been a big Horcoff supporter, but it’s getting harder and harder. It’s possible that the injuries have gotten to him, but who knows (I believe Stauffer mentioned that Horcoff’s shoulder isn’t bothering him much anymore). All I know is that his play has diminished at the same rate as one Mr. Ethan Moreau.

    I fully agree with Mr. M. and have said myself that guys like Horcoff are a dime-a-dozen. Well, the way he is currently playing right now. And it was almost painful to listen to McGuire (although I often disagree with him) lambaste him against Chicago in which he stated of Horcoff who was checking the top line: “Shawn Horcoff is NOT a checking centreman.” If that’s the case, what DO we have him for? I think that statement is pretty harsh, but Horcoff’s faceoff skill, his offensive ability and his defensive abilities have all dimished this season. Again, it’s really tough to defend the guy that I’ve backed since I first signed up on the Oilers Message Board.

    The one thing I do agree with especially in N.O.’s post though (and have said myself) is that Horcoff’s contract is not a problem until he’s tying up salary we could use. However one thing I’ll combat that with though is that we’re possibly about to trade Souray who (despite this year’s offensive issues) has been a solid addition with upside in a few areas (defensively stable, offensively gifted when on, and physical, plus the leadership, to name some reasons). So we’re cutting Souray loose, a guy we could use, because he’s tradeable and Horcoff isn’t. Food for thought…. I’d say that’s an example of Horcoff’s salary being an issue. Do any of you really want Souray gone? Are you desperate to see him off the team? Bob McKenzie is saying that we won’t get much for him. How about now? If he gets us a 3rd or 4th rounder, would you consider it a problem that Horcoff is still here, but Souray is gone?

    Anyways, if we managed to trade Horcoff for Lecavalier, to me that deal is a no brainer. Lecavalier has trade value, himself… so there is the possibility of flipping him somewhere afterwards. Although I wouldn’t expect that would happen. I will say though that I’d prefer to see a trade in which we move Horcoff for a shorter term contract though. But I doubt that would happen. Really, I doubt the Lecavalier for Horcoff plus more deal would happen either, but we can all dream/speculate.

  27. zackman35 says:

    Haha scratch that post (my previous one).

    I was reading a few blogs and I came across an interesting post at lowetide regarding Eberle. It may be possible we could see him up here before the season is done. Although personally I’d like to know he’s had a few AHL games before he makes any hops.

  28. NorwegianOiler says:

    Racki: Fully agree with you Mr. M. I can see your point though N.O.. Really, Lecavalier is an epically large upgrade on Horcoff. Horcoff has been a big funk right now. I have always been a big Horcoff supporter, but it’s getting harder and harder. It’s possible that the injuries have gotten to him, but who knows (I believe Stauffer mentioned that Horcoff’s shoulder isn’t bothering him much anymore). All I know is that his play has diminished at the same rate as one Mr. Ethan Moreau. I fully agree with Mr. M. and have said myself that guys like Horcoff are a dime-a-dozen. Well, the way he is currently playing right now. And it was almost painful to listen to McGuire (although I often disagree with him) lambaste him against Chicago in which he stated of Horcoff who was checking the top line: “Shawn Horcoff is NOT a checking centreman.” If that’s the case, what DO we have him for? I think that statement is pretty harsh, but Horcoff’s faceoff skill, his offensive ability and his defensive abilities have all dimished this season. Again, it’s really tough to defend the guy that I’ve backed since I first signed up on the Oilers Message Board. The one thing I do agree with especially in N.O.’s post though (and have said myself) is that Horcoff’s contract is not a problem until he’s tying up salary we could use. However one thing I’ll combat that with though is that we’re possibly about to trade Souray who (despite this year’s offensive issues) has been a solid addition with upside in a few areas (defensively stable, offensively gifted when on, and physical, plus the leadership, to name some reasons). So we’re cutting Souray loose, a guy we could use, because he’s tradeable and Horcoff isn’t. Food for thought…. I’d say that’s an example of Horcoff’s salary being an issue. Do any of you really want Souray gone? Are you desperate to see him off the team? Bob McKenzie is saying that we won’t get much for him. How about now? If he gets us a 3rd or 4th rounder, would you consider it a problem that Horcoff is still here, but Souray is gone?Anyways, if we managed to trade Horcoff for Lecavalier, to me that deal is a no brainer. Lecavalier has trade value, himself… so there is the possibility of flipping him somewhere afterwards. Although I wouldn’t expect that would happen. I will say though that I’d prefer to see a trade in which we move Horcoff for a shorter term contract though. But I doubt that would happen. Really, I doubt the Lecavalier for Horcoff plus more deal would happen either, but we can all dream/speculate.

    Hehe, one man’s dream is another’s nightmare.

    Regarding Horcoff/Souray, my opinion is that I’d trade Souray because we OUGHT to be (don’t know if we are…) rebuilding and getting assets IN is actually more important than shipping underachievers out (in trades). It’s all about maximizing assets in the future, and if that means giving up a piece now – do it, on the condition that what we’re moving won’t be worth as much in the future. Horcoff we’ll just have to live with, and I won’t sweat it much if we keep moving veterans and salary for youngsters around him. Before we’ll be in major trouble (the first few years POST rebuild, when the biggest youngsters need better deals) he’ll be gone anyway. Which is something Lecavalier won’t be, if such a deal ever went through. Big no no to bloated one dimensional players with questionable heart :P

  29. Racki says:

    I don’t know if Lecavalier has questionable heart, howeverI do agree with the rest of your post N.O.. That contract will stick around a long time. Of course, Horcoff’s will be here for quite some time too, but I’ve already made peace with that one ;) If it can be moved, great.. if not.. well.. might as well get used to it. As far as the Souray vs. Horcoff thing, that’s a good point that we’d like Souray’s ice time go to a younger player. Realistically, as much as it pains me to say it, if this team emulates the Chicago re-build (albeit half-assed), they’ll probably want another year or two of failure anyways. And well, if the kids managed to pull this team out of the ashes, all the better!

    However, on the note of the important part in rebuilding being getting assets in, I completely agree, however shipping the overpaid ones out also helps facilitate that. Can’t hang on to a lot of assets if you’re paying a lot for guys who aren’t considered assets. But hopefully that part will sort itself out before it gets to be a big problem.

  30. NorwegianOiler says:

    Racki: I don’t know if Lecavalier has questionable heart, howeverI do agree with the rest of your post N.O.. That contract will stick around a long time. Of course, Horcoff’s will be here for quite some time too, but I’ve already made peace with that one If it can be moved, great.. if not.. well.. might as well get used to it. As far as the Souray vs. Horcoff thing, that’s a good point that we’d like Souray’s ice time go to a younger player. Realistically, as much as it pains me to say it, if this team emulates the Chicago re-build (albeit half-assed), they’ll probably want another year or two of failure anyways. And well, if the kids managed to pull this team out of the ashes, all the better!However, on the note of the important part in rebuilding being getting assets in, I completely agree, however shipping the overpaid ones out also helps facilitate that. Can’t hang on to a lot of assets if you’re paying a lot for guys who aren’t considered assets. But hopefully that part will sort itself out before it gets to be a big problem.

    Well, even with Horcoff’s salary we’d be able to cope (I believe) by moving less pricey guys, such as Staios, Moreau and a few others – for mid-range assets – while letting go players like Pisani and maaaybe Strudwick too.

    The difference here is, of course, that while Horcoff’s salary would be nice to move over Souray, the latter may actually bring in a decent asset, while Horcoff would likely be in terms of taking on a shorter length contract of a similarly bloated nature (if anything).

    And yes, one year of a top 3 pick won’t likely help in itself. There either needs to be a massive improvement in picking up cheap youngsters others have given up on and having them excel here or simply rely on getting better draft picks (top 5 at least) for a few years…

    In the meanwhile we’ll hopefully not go insane, but spend more time looking at how prospects develop and how the team should (and hopefully will) shape up in a few years…but not as a self-dilusional practice, rather as a realistic outline.

  31. Racki says:

    I wonder too if the Oilers should go the Montreal Canadiens (of yesteryear) route and trade for some first rounders. Particularly not this year, but in the future. Target a team that might be on the downward cycle, and help our cause. Of course something like that should always be a consideration, but I’d like to see the Oilers really give it more than the ol’ college try.

  32. MetalOil says:

    The Ducks just handed Jonas Hiller a 4 year 18 million dollar extension today and now have 10.5 million tied up in goaltenders next season.

  33. Racki says:

    Well I guess that makes our goaltending situation not-so-badish. Although mind you, at least one of their big money guys plays.

  34. MetalOil says:

    And 6 million comes off the books at the end of next season as well so it is just a temporary hindrance to the cap total where as the Oil still have many more years of the wall on their books. I do not know why but I think that Habby will have a good bounce back season next year but after that I would expect a rapid decline.

    Also Today the Canucks begin the longest Road trip in NHL history. A 14-game, 13-city, 42-day voyage that will see them travel 12,885 miles. Should be interesting to see how they preform in this span.

  35. MetalOil says:

    Canes are on the verge of continuing their strong play as they lead the Hawks by a score of 4-2 with less then 2 minutes to play. A few more wins and we will probably not even have to worry about them anymore.

  36. Racki says:

    holy hell.. that was unexpected.

  37. Racki says:

    Darren Dreger is going crazy on Twitter saying big things are going to happen to the Leafs, likely today… big trade brewing. I haven’t seen a guy go that crazy over the Leafs since… no wait, it’s the Leafs. People always emphasize/exaggerate everything that involves this team.

  38. Racki says:

    Well, will wonders ever cease.. Dreger was right. Phaneuf has been traded to the Flames (per TSN). Details to come.

    Daren Millard’s twitter: “Phaneuf, sjostrom, aulie to leafs.”

  39. zackman35 says:

    MetalOil: Canes are on the verge of continuing their strong play as they lead the Hawks by a score of 4-2 with less then 2 minutes to play. A few more wins and we will probably not even have to worry about them anymore.

    Haha, what a coincidence as Staal becomes captain they go on a win streak. It’s so weird hearing about some of these players like Ward (played for Red Deer Rebels), Sutter and there are quite a few others around the league but my girlfriend went to school with a few of them including Sutter I think. Just the past week I mentioned Collin Fraser and she said she did a English project with him even. That’s because everyone on the Red Deer Rebels attends the same high school. She can’t really phone anyone to say hey whats up but still I think it’s pretty cool. Well maybe one or two she could…

    Anyways now it’s begining to look like the race between the Leafs (Bruins) and Oilers. On that note Burke is holding a presser talking about some ‘big changes’ that will start happening starting today. I’ll try and keep everyone updated.

  40. zackman35 says:

    Dion Phaneuf traded to Toronto Maple Leafs

    EDIT: Haha too slow for Racki, I feel like a newb.

  41. Haboiler says:

    Maybe this will start the action throughout the league!

  42. Racki says:

    So Phaneuf, Sjostrom and Aullie to the Leafs… I wonder who comes back.

  43. zackman35 says:

    Wonder who the Leafs gave up it couldn’t be Kessel could it? It’s what Calgary needs, another scorer but I can’t see the Leafs giving up Kessel. Maybe they just alleviated some cap room for a bigger trade to be happening, three way deal with Atlanta? Let the crazy ideas begin.

  44. Racki says:

    Leafs also trade Toskala to Anaheim for Giguere

  45. Haboiler says:

    looks like Giguere on his way to Toronto as well.

    PS – Beat me to it Racki lol

  46. Racki says:

    zackman35: Wonder who the Leafs gave up it couldn’t be Kessel could it? It’s what Calgary needs, another scorer but I can’t see the Leafs giving up Kessel. Maybe they just alleviated some cap room for a bigger trade to be happening, three way deal with Atlanta? Let the crazy ideas begin.

    Hmm…

    DarrenDreger’s twitter says:
    “when asked if Stajan and Hagman are main pieces in Phaneuf trade, source says ‘its bigger than that.’”

  47. zackman35 says:

    Racki: Leafs also trade Toskala to Anaheim for Giguere

    Holy crap, the Leafs just got a boost and maybe not just the cap room let the cup parade begin…

  48. DropIt says:

    oh, general discussion….AHHHHH !!!!!! What the hell is all of this? I am losing my mind here

    Im hoping for Either Kessel or Kaberle and Hagman and Ponikarovsky or something of the sort…

    Was on CalgaryPuck this morning, thinking… “hmm sounds like the Leafs are taking Gigure, they will probably be busy” and then TSN says Phaneuf? im going to shit

  49. Racki says:

    Yes, Phaneuf is a goner, but sounds like you guys will get compensated well. When asked if it was Stajan/Hagman, (Burke?) said “it’s bigger than that”, according to Daren Dreger.

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