General Discussion

By , September 30, 2009 6:18 pm

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  1. NorwegianOiler says:

    I just can’t understand the apparent willingess to part with Cogliano (over an array of other possibilities) – he has shown so much determination and leadership in a season that’s gone all downhill for most of the team. His production, which is about the only negative, isn’t worrying me considering his linemates, minutes and not least his age.

    Brian Lee is from what I’ve seen the Tom Gilbert of the Senators, only at a much more manageable price (although RFA this season?) O’Brien I have never seen, the second rounder…fair enough. The trade itself is balanced enough, but I can’t really see how it improves our team at all.

    Better look at moving more salary, indifference and not ship out speed, grit and young leadership.

  2. string says:

    this would mean the start of something bigger {souray?} and it has to start somewhere. I love cogs but if he has to go to begin the rebuild we all know is coming, then so be it.

  3. Racki says:

    NorwegianOiler: I just can’t understand the apparent willingess to part with Cogliano (over an array of other possibilities) – he has shown so much determination and leadership in a season that’s gone all downhill for most of the team. His production, which is about the only negative, isn’t worrying me considering his linemates, minutes and not least his age.
    Brian Lee is from what I’ve seen the Tom Gilbert of the Senators, only at a much more manageable price (although RFA this season?) O’Brien I have never seen, the second rounder…fair enough. The trade itself is balanced enough, but I can’t really see how it improves our team at all.
    Better look at moving more salary, indifference and not ship out speed, grit and young leadership.

    Yes, count me as one that has always been opposed to any deal involving Cogliano. I’m also a firm believer that he’s being held back. Maybe not intentionally.. although it would coincide with his contract year. But I think they should be giving him more ice time and I could see him being a regular fixture here if used properly.

    string: this would mean the start of something bigger {souray?} and it has to start somewhere. I love cogs but if he has to go to begin the rebuild we all know is coming, then so be it.

    This is actually a pretty good point. In no way can Lee replace what Souray brings (one would think), but perhaps that is the thought process of management. I don’t think Lee is the defenseman we should be looking for here though. They need to get tougher and more defensive in the back end, even if Souray is moved. Maybe I’d even say especially if Souray is moved. Lee would probably even duplicate players we have in the system. I have been using Gilbert as a comparable, like N.O. … Chorney as well.

  4. NorwegianOiler says:

    Cogliano is 22 years old, has world class speed, a decent shot and a work ethic on ice I don’t see many of our other youngsters match. He’s a very good forechecker (though he lacks a bit of experience in his own end) and plays with an edge. Of all the young small forwards we have, Cogliano and Brule are the only ones playing bigger than they are – so using Cogliano to ‘get the ball rolling’ in any way would in my opinion be a mistake.

    I am not clear as to how trading Cogliano is requisite to getting other players moved. I’d hang on to Cogs, Brule and Gagner, look for trades for Nilsson, O’Sullivan and Comrie. (If we’re looking at Cogliano’s comparatives in terms of size/skillset)

  5. NorwegianOiler says:

    If we traded for Lee, we’d be looking for Gilbert to be moved (and even if that happens, we’d still have a RHD that’s big, but on the soft side, which is something I hoped we’d improve)

  6. Racki says:

    I could definitely handle Brian Lee here in place of Tom Gilbert. I do like Gilbert, but that salary doesn’t do him any favors in my book. And yes, good that Lee is a RHD. Btw, my comment on choosing Lee over Gilbert is strictly salary based. Sens fans apparently claim he is using the body more, but that’s a very open statement. One more hit every season is still taking the body more… :P

  7. NorwegianOiler says:

    Pretty much behind every word on that one Racki!

  8. gr8one says:

    where are these rumors coming from? I checked eklunds site and nothing there, and I see nothing on twitter?

  9. Racki says:

    Dan Tencer mentioned it on his twitter, but it originated (as far as I can tell) on a Sens blog. So for that reason, take it with the tiniest grain of salt.

  10. OilerTyler says:

    Due to work and school, I have been forgetting to adjust my lineup in the pool every couple days, I am really starting to fall behind now

  11. Racki says:

    Well, shit… don’t start playing now! I’m playing you this week… :P

  12. OilerTyler says:

    I left my house at 7:30 in the morning yesterday and wasn’t home until 10 at night so I couldn’t change my players. I missed a Dwayne Roloson shutout and a 3 point night for St Louis.

  13. Racki says:

    hah, damn. I’ve missed a shutout before too.. doesn’t make a guy too happy.

  14. Racki says:

    Anyone see Jon Scott and Alexandre Bolduc go at it? I’ve never seen a guy take so many huge punishing shots and remain standing for that long. Scott just picked him apart, landing shot after shot and a couple of giant uppercuts.

  15. dawgtoy says:

    Scott is a Monster listed at 6’8″ 258, he completely destoyed Bolduc. What a mess!

  16. dawgtoy says:

    As for Cogs…the future seems to be Eberle,perhaps Omark on a team that is really small already. I have read that the Oil feel he is still a very tradeable asset to help sweeten possible trades. Clearly some smallish players will need to be moved, I’d rather see O’sully go, but what is he worth right now???

  17. Racki says:

    Alexandre Bolduc vs. John Scott

  18. gr8one says:

    good article at TSN.

    http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=306283

    pretty much echoes most of our sentiments here, but it’s nice to hear it from more outside sources that aren’t the local media and fans.

    all I can say is if nothing major happens before the trade deadline I think it will become undeniable from even the most hardcore Tambellini supporters that something is seriously wrong.

  19. Mr.Majestyk says:

    I just finished reading that article as well gr8one. They alluded to the reasoning of why Tambs hasn’t done anything. They mentioned that nobody wants the players they intend to unload. The ugly part comes when guys like Moreau or Staios have to be placed on waivers to try and get rid of them. I don’t agree with Dreger’s assessement that you can’t win without a superstar and so the only way is to draft one, or for that matter, that the only superstars are going to be drafted in the first 3 picks every year.

  20. Racki says:

    Thanks tips (directed at TSN) for letting us know we’re in salary troubles. :lol: Nothing new for us Oiler fans. I suppose it’s good to hear the media say it though because it has more chance of getting back to Tambellini, in case he’s been in snooze mode the past year and a half. Actually, given that he gave Khabibulin a ridonkulous contract, I think he may be..

  21. zackman35 says:

    Got to give props to most, well all the members at POTF. The OMB can get pretty bad sometimes (opinion/idea wise) but what’s generally worse is what I hear in public. Today before one of my classes started (Coaching Theory), I overheard a few guys at the front giving their take on what they’d do as a GM.

    They went on going about our cap issues we have, then they suggested, right after they mentioned the cap issues, to trade Souray or Horcoff (I can’t remember but I’m pretty sure it was Souray) + a second or third round pick or something for Theodore to help relieve us of our cap issues. In a way it kind of makes sense (Theodore’s contract expires at the end of the season) but essentially we are getting nothing in return and losing a pick.

    Then to go on announcing things everyone already talks about, ie “getting rid of certain contracts at the end of the year” goes on to say how they should just hire him as GM. Now I know he was joking but honestly it’s annoying when people constantly sandbox GM and talk about trades that hardly make sense. And the fact they don’t even know about prospects like MPS it just gets a little irritating.

    All in all I’m just glad there is a place where we have a good sense of knowledge of what’s going on. I don’t mean to sound rude but I think a lot of us can relate.

  22. Racki says:

    You should tell them to watch more hockey ;) haha

  23. Bostonoiler says:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=306822

    Good read by Darren Dreger on TSN about an Oilers rebuild. It might take a few years, but it will be worth it with Eberle, Svensson, Hall, Omark, Hemsky, Penner, Brule, Gagner, Storts, JFJ, Petry, Smid, Peckham, Motin, Dubynk, JDD. The future is bright!

  24. Racki says:

    Good article, although again, common knowledge for us Oil fans… just the media is now talking about it.

    Btw, I’ll have a new draft-related article up probably on Thursday. Look for it. ;)

  25. Bostonoiler says:

    I’ll be looking for it lol. And I like seeing a legit hockey guy writing that changes are coming, kinda assures me lmao….I really shouldn’t be here right now do to mid-year exams lol

  26. Racki says:

    Very cool post on Low On Oil… novel idea by Jonathan Joyce.

    Check it out here.

  27. Racki says:

    Nino Niederreiter shootout goal in CHL competition:

    Damn, if I had that kind of wrist strength, I’d probably get teased…

  28. Racki says:

    From Jason Gregor of Oilersnation:

    I mentioned last week how Anaheim and Ottawa have an interest in Ethan Moreau, and that hasn’t changed, although no deal is set in place. But the Oilers have taken more calls and made more calls this week regarding Moreau, Sheldon Souray and Steve Staios. There is some interest out there, and it will be a matter of finding out how serious that interest is.

  29. Racki says:

    Taylor Chorney has been recalled.

    Smid injured his hind banana…

    In all seriousness, Chorney recalled.. Smid out next game. I’m guessing he “had his bell rung” as Quinn likes to say.

  30. Bostonoiler says:

    hind banana??? What?

  31. Racki says:

    Bostonoiler: hind banana??? What?

    Guess you missed Quinn’s post game interview from the 6-0 Colorado pounding. I’m not even sure what it means, but he used the phrase “hind banana” when describing the loss.

  32. chucker says:

    Racki: Nino Niederreiter shootout goal in CHL competition: Damn, if I had that kind of wrist strength, I’d probably get teased…

    I would love to see that Neato Neeterwriter here. :)

  33. Racki says:

    Yes, I too would love to see Supernintendorider here as well!

  34. Bostonoiler says:

    Racki:
    Guess you missed Quinn’s post game interview from the 6-0 Colorado pounding. I’m not even sure what it means, but he used the phrase “hind banana” when describing the loss.

    exam week here in Boston so once it hit 3-0 I hit the books and then bed.

    I think we could trade back into the first round to get Neiderreiter.

    As for Who ever said they would rather have seguin, I would rather have Hall,but we can’t lose with either I’ll say that. I’m not sure how Seguin plays so could you fill me in?

  35. Bostonoiler says:

    Oh and the Hurricanes won tonight, meaning that we are just 1 point out of last. Lets hope this keeps up…..Also rumor out there that Slats likes Comrie and so doesn’t Boston, who is looking for a little scoring. Its about to get interesting.

  36. Racki says:

    Bostonoiler:
    exam week here in Boston so once it hit 3-0 I hit the books and then bed.I think we could trade back into the first round to get Neiderreiter.As for Who ever said they would rather have seguin, I would rather have Hall,but we can’t lose with either I’ll say that. I’m not sure how Seguin plays so could you fill me in?

    Read my post here for more info: http://puttingonthefoil.com/2010/01/top-3-draft-picks-since-2000/

    But Seguin is said to be a guy who uses linemates more effectively than Hall. He’s also apparently a born leader. Very good playmaker with ability to score as well. Apparently while Hall is already elite, Seguin is climbing in ability very fast.

    Any of those top 3 players would be good though.

  37. gr8one says:

    This sucks.

    http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/bob_mckenzie/?id=307228

    Let me say this, I love Kovalchuk, he is one of my top 5 favorite hockey players currently playing, and I think he is up there with Ovechkin, Crosby and Malkin in terms of skill/impact player.

    That being said, I don’t think the Oilers should go after him becuase in order for us to get him, I don’t think we currently have the supporting cast to make us a contender with him, and would likely mortgage our future as well, just not a good fit timing wise for the Oilers, as much as I’d love to have him.

    But holy geezus it would suck seeing him in a Flames uni. Him and Iggy would be just be fucking scary together. let’s all hope that is not a scenario that plays out.

  38. Racki says:

    Drop It must be walking around his house right now with a semi.

    Seriously, Kovalchuk would be awesome to have. But no, not for the Oilers right now. Maybe it works next season, but definitely not the remainder and it would be silly to do since he may not re-sign here.

  39. Bostonoiler says:

    WEEI today brought up some great Bruins points that connect with the Oil. They mentoned Taylor Hall as someone that will be the next great draft pick, they picked Edmonton to get him. They also said the Bruins could make an offer (Wideman, Bergeron, Toronto’s 1st) for Iggy so the Flames can get Kovi. Take it for what its worth.

  40. Racki says:

    I can’t see the Flames giving up Iggy… I think that’s wishful thinking on the Boston radio station’s part.

    But it would sure be nice if we get Hall and he is the “next great draft pick”. Would fucking love it, actually. Would revive hockey as being #1 here again.

  41. gr8one says:

    No way the Flames trade Iggy…at least not at this point in his career.

  42. MetalOil says:

    Just an update from the CBC iDesk. Sheldon Souray is in the process of giving the Oilers a list of teams that he would be willing to waive his NTC to be traded to.

    I have suspected all along that he would be on the move based on the fact that he is probably our most movable big ticket contract. Sure he might not be putting up the big numbers that he has in the past but I think that his lack of offensive production is more of a reflection of our team then it is of his own doing. On the Oilers and especially on the PP it is fairly obvious to the opposition what we are gonna due when Sheldon is on the ice. On a another team that has more weapons at its dispersal then our Oilers he brings a hole new element that is very sought after and also very rare. He can be a decoy, He can bomb shots from the point and he also brings a meanness that is even more so valuable come playoff time. Teams want these things and make no mistake about it, there will be offers.

    Some say that his salary will make it hard for the Oilers to move him but he is only owed 4.5 of the 5.4 million anual cap hip so that makes him very attractive to teams who have some cap room (like the Kings).

    I would put the chances of Souray getting moved before the deadline at about 80% and I think we will be getting another first round pick in it as well.

  43. Racki says:

    Well, to be honest, I’m not happy to see him go. But I hope he goes to a winner. Souray’s a good guy. I hope people see it for what it is. He put in almost 3 years here, hoping this team could do something, but obviously we’re a ways away yet.

    Ungh man, not happy about losing his leadership (assuming he DOES get traded) and his toughness, but what can ya do. Hopefully the Oilers trade him for a solid stay-at-homer and a 1st rounder.

    As far as his 5.4M being hard to move, I really don’t think it’s as hard as one would think. Sure, it does limit the teams, but you know teams are interested in him.

    Btw, thanks for the info on that, MetalOil.. I’m going to start up a post in a bit so we can chat about it within there.

  44. Haboiler says:

    Here is a question that I have been thinking about for a few weeks now. Lets say the team is able to unload Moreau, Pisani, Souray and possibly Staois. Where does the leadership core land? Who would be the C on this team? Does it default to Horcoff? IMO Hemsky is not leadership potential. Perhaps Vishnosky? Penner?

    If we have a young core of Gagner, Cogliano, Eberle, MPS, Hall/Seguin and throw in Penner, Hemsky, Horcoff and probably Potulny then Stone, Stortini and Pouliot on the 4th line, then I can’t see Horcoff not getting the “C”, not that i necessarily agree with it. Even if 3 of those players aren’t on the team next year, I can’t see a new person getting the C off the bat.

  45. Racki says:

    I’d have no problems with Horcoff getting the C. He does struggle quite often to put up numbers, but I’d say the effort level is never questionable. He’s also a very vocal, intelligent player.

    But yes, there’s also Visnovsky, Penner, Stortini (yes, I said Stortini – he captained the Wolves at 17, so maybe he’s got it in him), Gagner (he’s too young for the C, but maybe an A), Comrie (if re-signed) that could be considered as Captains/Alternates. Plus the Oilers would need to bring in a couple of vets to replace the guys we lose…. cheaper vets (thats the whole point of unloading those guys). They are potential captains as well.

    And lastly, we can pull a Vancouver and give it to Khabi. haha I’m kidding about that..

    In addition to that,

  46. zackman35 says:

    Racki:
    And lastly, we can pull a Vancouver and give it to Khabi. haha I’m kidding about that..
    In addition to that,

    Haha, unless you want this to become the face of our team…

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/zackman35/Khabinapper.png

    And then sign him for 10 years at a ridiculous contract. Oh yeah and he has to suck really bad in a playoff game too and end up loosing the series because of that bad game. :P

  47. MetalOil says:

    Skills(or lack of) compition on the Oilers site right now.

    Edit:
    Almost finished though.

  48. Racki says:

    oh yah, forgot about the skills comp.

  49. Racki says:

    The Oilers are officially rock bottom in the NHL. They do have a game in hand on the Canes, however. They play Chicago on Tuesday though, so I think no matter how well this team is doing, it would be a surprise if they pulled off a win vs. the Hawks.

  50. MetalOil says:

    it was inevitable that this would happen.

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