General Discussion

By , September 30, 2009 6:18 pm

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  1. Mr.Majestyk says:

    I was listening to Dan Tencer’s interview with Tom Renney on ched. Nice to hear him put everything out there without sugar coating it. Worth listening to in my opinion.

    Regarding the Phaneuf rumour: It will probably be Dion heading to Washington instead of Souray.

    Side note: Is Eric Fehr’s nickname Fehrsy?

  2. Racki says:

    For those that missed it, Souray said he would be willing to waive his NTC when asked by the Journal if he’d do so. Quite frankly, reporters have a way of getting people to say what they want, so I don’t know if we should be worried. But since some of you suggest trading him, I guess that’s what you would want him to say anyways.

    Personally I’ve always had a lot of respect for Souray. I know fans can really run with this and say “get him out of here” or criticize him for being honest. He didn’t say he wants out, he just said he would accept a trade if it worked for him and his kids. Dan Tencer says “The more I think about it…the fact that he didn’t tow the company line is significant”. And really, that is true. But I think Souray is a guy we should respect. He’s not demanding a trade. It’s got to be frustrating as hell to play here now. The guy is a team player who puts it all on the line, so if a trade comes a long that benefits him and he waives his NTC, I would have no problem with that.

    Here is the article:
    Souray says he would waive NTC, when asked by Edmonton Journal.

  3. MetalOil says:

    On Monday the NHL network will be airing a special Prospect rankings show with an updated list on the top players heading into this summers draft. Seeing how this season has gone for us Oiler fans I think this is something of interest for us all.

  4. LateNightOilFan says:

    I have a ton of respect for Souray as well. It’s a shame – he had such a great season last year and it wasn’t enough. You could tell he was frustrated at the end of last year. Now the desire looks to be gone.

    Players are starting to talk about being moved as ‘what’s best for the team’. Staois alluded to it last week, now Souray states it. Definitely sellers, but this is the first clear indication from members of the organization that an official rebuild is just around the corner.

    Yay, what alot of us have been wanting…but still depressing as hell.

    Souray was traded back at the 2000 deadline to the Habs and then the Devils went on to win the cup. Trade him to a contender please. They guy isn’t getting any younger.

  5. Bostonoiler says:

    I’ll be watching that on Monday. hoping to see Taylor Hall, the third member of eberle, Svensson, lottery pick……As for Souray I respect him and really hope he stays here. I think he could be captain when this rebuild is done. If we do trade him please let it be to a contender, but I still want Tambi to get fair value for him.

  6. Racki says:

    Just to emphasize that he isn’t asking for a trade a bit more, Robin Brownlee talks a bit more about it on Oilersnation. It’s extremely important that people remember that he hasn’t asked for a trade. I’ve seen this same bullshit before where fans here a player say one thing like that, and then months down the road it turns into “Souray demanded a trade back in January”. He actually joked that the headline tomorrow could read “Souray asks to be traded” (which is a shot at Brownlee who last year helped keep alive a rumor that Souray was being traded).

    Anyways, asking for a trade and saying you’d be willing to move if asked are two completely different things. Plus, he won’t admit to it, but the family issue is a possible concern for him… so if he had a way to move to be closer to his kids, I’m sure he’d take it. But he’s not asking for it.

    I hope they hang on to him though, because while he is one of our more expensive contracts, he’s one of few guys that actually earns his money almost every night. If we did move him, his skillset would have to be replaced. And it isn’t easy to find a guy who is physical, scores goals and can play a decent defensive game. And well, if you can, most aren’t coming cheap anyways.

  7. LateNightOilFan says:

    Understood Racki – same as when Roli was accused by the fanbase as demanding a trade in 08/09 when he responded ‘yes’ to the question ‘would you welcome a trade if it meant more playing time’?

    That said, the fact players are starting to talk about being moved ‘if it’s what’s best for the team’, well I think it means they are anticipating something will happen and probably that it has been discussed with them.

  8. Racki says:

    Yah, I very rarely buy into that stuff unless the player actually specifically starts demanding out (a la Pronger). I get frustrated with the fans here. Speaking of Pronger, a lot of fans are so butt hurt by pronger that they automatically assume too much and assume players are always looking for ways out.

  9. Bostonoiler says:

    Was watching the Bruins game today and it sounds like the Bruins are going after Cogs

  10. Racki says:

    Toronto’s first rounder for Cogliano + 2nd rounder

    Can you imagine landing both Fowler and Hall? Ok, I’ll shut up now.

    How about Wheeler for Cogliano + .. ?

    The other guy I used to like there was Mark Stuart… it looks like he’s tamed down the awesomeness a bit though.

    Ok how about Tuuka Rask for Khabibulin, Cogliano + sexual favors.

  11. Haboiler says:

    I wonder if we wouldn’t be a bit interested in a guy like Joe Colbourne. He is a 6’5 centre who has some decent hands and was a #16 pick a couple yrs back. Johnny Boychuk would be a nice addition as well.

  12. Mr.Majestyk says:

    Hey Racki, I read your post in the ‘Who will be first…’ thread at the OMB where you defended Souray against the idiots. Well done my friend. I hardly ever post at the OMB anymore. It just seems like a waste of time because people don’t discuss the issues in a respectful and intelligent manner. You could write 3 paragraphs outlining exactly why you feel about something and the next post will just be “He sucks, we should trade him for a bag of pucks!” I hate it.

  13. Racki says:

    yah, it drives me nuts. You’ll get that kind of stuff in a lot of places though. HF Boards really seems no better. I like it here of course, but not just because it’s my own site, but because we’ve got some of the better posters from OMB over here. I also like the NHL Arena, which has a pretty small user base, and also manages to filter out the idiots. But yah, I guess there’s just too many people over at OMB and HF Boards and naturally you’re going to have a lot of ignorant posters over there.

  14. MetalOil says:

    I may be a proponent of trading Souray but in no way do I have anything against him. I just think he may be our best trade option at this time and bring us in a good return. Also with him starting to get a bit older I think it would be a good thing for both Souray and the team for him to be traded to a legitimate contender. I have tons of respect for the guy but I would rather stick with Lubes who is younger and has more upside going further.

  15. Racki says:

    I have nothing against people saying he should be traded, if the reason is good. Like, some people say he should be traded because he has value, and he has a high salary. True enough, although I could counter that. It’s the people that just post stuff like “I’m tired of his play. … Souray’s been trying this year? Really? Haven’t seen it.”. Yes, I singled that user’s posts out because they were the most ignorant of them all on the forum.

    And when it comes to picking Souray over Lubo, I’d take Lubo hands down too. But I don’t think the choice should be between those two, personally.

    Anyways, there are definitely good arguments for trading Souray… it’s the ones like I quoted above that drive me nuts. Souray’s always been a guy that puts in a high level of effort.

  16. MetalOil says:

    Yeah I just read the “Who Should be first?” thread on the OMB and I totally agree with you. Simply saying “move him, he sucks’ shows the lack of knowledge that many on that board have.

    Who else with a big cap hit could we move on D ? Gilbert?

  17. Racki says:

    That would be my first choice. I know many will disagree (Steve-O’s a fan, for one).

    Really, of the top 4, I’d choose between Souray and Gilbert. Gilbert doesn’t bring half of what Souray does. The cap hit difference, in my mind, is well worth the extra that Souray brings. However, there is something to be said about the fact that Gilbert will be in the NHL for longer than Souray will (or should be, anyways, barring some sort of bad injury or anything).

    The one guy I will say that I 110% disagree with trading is Visnovsky. I will defend that guy to no end from trade suggestions. Visnovsky makes his teammates better. Souray can have that effect, but to a much lesser extent.

    I do like Gilbert. If he were making $2-2.5M I would be more than happy to keep him. That is closer to his value. I think he got a big raise too early in his career. He might be worth that eventually, but he’s not showing it right now. Taylor Chorney is going to be ready soon too, and I think he brings a similar enough game.

    Anyways, when all is said and done, I’d really like to see a healthy mix of defensive-minded defencemen and offensive-minded defencemen.

    Visnovsky, Smid, and Grebeshkov would be guys I’d love to keep for sure. Chorney could replace Gilbert. I’m not that optimistic to think Peckham will be ready next year, but he could be a 7th d-man. We’d still need a couple of guys who are more biased towards defensive play. Preferably a guy characterized as a shutdown d-man, and a guy known as a bruiser. We could use our own Robyn Regehr.

  18. gr8one says:

    I’ve personally suggested trading Souray, but I wouldn’t say I’m a “proponent” of it…

    I love Souray, I love his style of play, and all the things he brings to the table, but for the right price, I say trade him…I also think a major change of culture is needed with this team, and think that all of the “leaders” of this team should be shopped as none of them bring history of winning and knowing what it takes, however of our leadership core I believe that least applies to Souray.

  19. Mr.Majestyk says:

    good discussion guys. Again, as Racki pointed out, its never an issue with whether or not we agree or disagree on trading Souray, its the manner in which the argument is presented. I’m pretty sure everyone on here realizes that, but I wanted to re-iterate the point because it seemed like everyone who posted afterward sounded like they needed to defend their position on the matter.

  20. Racki says:

    haha yes, thanks Mr. M for the clarification.. that’s exactly right. I’m not trying to get people to defend the idea of trading Souray. I understand why the knowledgeable posters here suggest Souray should be traded. It’s the ones over there saying that he sucks or has no heart (which one for sure has suggested) or various other irrational reasons.

  21. MetalOil says:

    Gilbert would also be my first choice as well and I would much rather trade him then Souray however I do not think that many other teams would want to take Gilbert off of our hands mainly because of how much he makes(4 million I think) for the amount he contributes. I think he is very inconsistent and has shown a reluctance to use his body(mainly in front of our net). Most teams looking to improve their defensive corps will be scared off by his salary and his faults. So I still see Souray as a more realistic option plus Gilbert is still young and does have some potential as seen in his rookie season. He might just be going through some growing pains right now.

    As for Peckham I think that the injury he suffered in the off season really put a damper on his progression to the NHL. I look for him to be playing for the Oilers at some point during the course off next season.(probably due to injury(s) on the back end) and I think he will be here to stay. He brings the mean streak to the back end that is really missing at this point on the OIl.

  22. Racki says:

    Yah I do agree about Peckham and his injury. And I do think that he has the ability to become that player we need, I’m just not too sure he will do it next year. I think at this point all we have is the want for him to be that player. 😛 If he takes the Matt Greene route, it’ll be like 3 or 4 years.

    But I do think that people have pretty high expectations on him, and he might not even reach them. I’m very open minded to him though and hope he can be that player. But I think people already have him pencilled in as our shutdown d-man for next year. That’s probably getting a bit too ahead of ourselves.

  23. MetalOil says:

    Agreed. I expect him to come into the lineup at some point next season due to injury and then man the 7th defenseman spot for the rest of the season then take up a regular spot on the blueline the following year. Anything after this is up in the air.

    So what is going on with Chorney? I have not heard anything. Is he in Springfield or still injured??? I think he is ready for a permanent role with the team as he made a fairly seemless transition into the bigs. Hopefully this injury(if he is injured still) does not stunt his development.

  24. Racki says:

    He’s been playing, but I see he was a scratch in the last game due to the flu.

  25. zackman35 says:

    Hey POTF staff, there is a pretty good video on our prospects on the official site you may want to post here (since we only have the future to look forwards to:loser mentality as Gilbert would call it). Stauffer and Pendergast sp* have a pretty good interview saying just where we are at with our prospects.

  26. Racki says:

    Here is said video.. haven’t had a chance to watch it yet because its taking a bit to stream it:

  27. Racki says:

    Hmm.. most interested in Jeff Petry (and of course Eberle/MPS). Prendergast described him as a d-man that brings multiple sides to his game. Prendergast: “He’s got all the attributes you want in a future pro. He’s big, he’s strong, he can skate, he can shoot the puck, he quarterbacks the powerplay, he’s the captain at Michigan State. They finished last in the CCHA last year; they’re in second place this year and a big part of that is due to the way he’s carrying the team. He’s a special kid.”

    As I thought he might say, he mentioned he was pretty happy with the way the Oilers prospects played at the tourney, except perhaps Toni Rajala. And I agree, Rajala didn’t really play up to expectations. But he was also playing injured throughout the tourney. But he’s a guy that I don’t really have high expectations for at this point. Not writing him off, just if he plays in the NHL and plays well, great.. if not.. well… my expectations were low anyways.

  28. gr8one says:

    That was a good interview, although for some unknown reason Stauffer bugs the shit out of me.

    I really hope we can work something out and get Omark over here too, I have a good feeling about him.

    As far as Tony Rajala goes though, I still have hope that he might become the steal of the draft, his skill is amazing, the only problem with him though is his size, another small, skill forward in an organization that is chalk full of small, skilled forwards.


    man that’s a lot of small forwards, those guys are all under 6’0 foot, and that’s not counting some others that are still small-ish like Hemsky and Potulny to name a couple.

    I know this is far from a new insight, but it hits home to see them listed like that.

  29. Mr.Majestyk says:

    Last night after the Penguins/Leafs game, Don Cherry gave props to Rob Schremp. He had a couple of assists in yesterdays shootout win over the Yotes. He’s now got 6 points in his last 5 games and 12 points in 24 games this season. Not a world beater by any stretch but if he’s becoming more comfortable playing at the NHL level those numbers could continue to increase. At any rate, I just skimmed over our rosters point totals(I hardly ever look at the stats)and I’m really shocked at how bad some of our numbers are. To say that Hemsky/Penner/Lubo have carried the team this year is an understatement. I looked at Schremp’s 12 points in 24 and didn’t think its impressive, it isn’t. Then I look at Ethan Moreau’s 8 points in 43 games or Cogliano’s 10 points in 44 and its so sad. Yes, yes, I realize that Moreau isn’t supposed to be an offensive player and that he(supposedly)brings the hard hitting style but man, 8 points is all he’s contributed?

  30. Racki says:

    Really, it’s good to see Schremp playing better. I’m glad he’s gone though. He wouldn’t have gotten a chance here. And really, it’s not like he’s a huge offensive threat now or anything, but he’s still young and bound to improve as his confidence grows. That’s great for him that he’s put a good set of games together.

    And you’re right, it’s pretty ridiculous, some of the numbers on the team. If I were GM of the team, I’d pull the players into the office, a la Office Space and say to Moreau “What DO you do here?”. His “people skills” aren’t doing anything for this team.

    As for Cogliano. When his line consists of offensive juggernauts Ethan Moreau and Zack Stortini, can we really be surprised that he’s struggling offensively? He’s not being put in a position where he can succeed, and that’s hurting his development, and possibly his confidence. I’ve been really impressed though in seeing how hard he battles on nights. But he’s getting screwed over with linemates and his value is dropping.

    On one hand, the value dropping is good because his contract is due up, and we’ll be able to re-sign him for cheaper. But if they’re planning on moving him, they won’t get max value.

    Anyways, that’s my rant for the day. I don’t need a mini-camp or a few weeks to tell you who the problem players are on this team, but this is apparently what Tambellini will be doing. But hey, I guess there is light at the end of the tunnel:

    “We have 18 games until the Olympic break. We are going to use this time to find out who wants to be here and who doesn’t. This is our big evaluation stage to determine our long-term future.”

  31. Mr.Majestyk says:

    speaking of contracts for RFA’s. What do you figure guys like Cogs and Gags will get? The other day I was perusing nhlscap and its just insane when you consider how much we have committed and it almost looks like the numbers don’t add up. We’ve got 3 players making over 5 million per season, Horc, Souray, Vis. SJ for example have 4 players making over 6 million per season, plus Nabokov making over 5 million.

    Just seems to me that we’re getting killed by all the mid-range contracts to mid-range players. I worry that no matter how poor a season Cogliano has he’s going to get a raise. Isn’t it 10 percent to qualify them at the very least? Same with Gags. Right now Gags makes 1.625. I’m worried he’ll get 2.5 and Cogs get 1.75. Thats a bit of an overpayment for these guys in my opinion. We can’t keep paying guys for what they might become.

  32. Racki says:

    Hey Mr. M….

    Yes, I believe 10% is the minimum raise needed to qualify an RFA.

    Also, I can handle Gagner getting 2.5M / season. It is an overpayment, you’re right, but it’s not huge overpayment for potential like Gilbert/Grebeshkov received. Then again, I tend to complain about Nilsson’s contract a lot, and his is only 2M.

    Anyways, I’m not sure if the 10% raise includes bonuses, but technically Gagner’s salary is $0.875M (+$0.75M bonus) and Cogliano’s is $0.85M (+$0.25M bonus for this year).

    I think Cogliano will be a guy who will sign short term just because he has a lot to prove. I’m going to guess 1-year at $1.5M. As for Gagner, well, I don’t even know what to think with him. On one hand, I can see $2.5M being fantastic value. I’m scared he’ll get even more than that though.

    Brule is another guy due up for a potentially significant raise. I think he should get $1.5M or so, and perhaps it will be another short-term deal just to allow him to prove that it wasn’t a fluke.

    What I’m really hoping though is that some of these guys in our small/skill player set will be moved before the trade deadline. There’s going to be quite a battle next year with Eberle,MPS, and Omark knocking on the door as is.

    Oh, and I’ve been saying it for quite some time now.. it’s not the Souray/Visnovsky big contracts that are killing us… it’s the Pisani/Moreau/Staios/O’Sullivan/Nilsson ones. Mid-range contracts from guys who aren’t even close to being difference makers (at least long term, in some cases).

  33. MetalOil says:

    I think that Cogs will most likely be traded and that Gags should get no more then a 15% raise. You are absolutely right about paying for what players might become. Look at Gilbert making 4 million a season. Could we have not managed to get him at say 2-2.25 million/year for 2 years instead of handing him a lucrative long term deal before he had really earned such an increase in wages???

  34. Racki says:

    MetalOil: I think the Oilers have struggled with this sort of thing for a while and haven’t really seemed to get it right. Do you sign the guy with seemingly high potential to a decent contract short term, and then potentially give him a huge raise in 2 years? Or do you take a chance and sign him long term to a mid-range salary.

    However, you’d have a tough time explaining to me that Gilbert’s contract is anything other than higher end. I was a big Gilbert fan before he was re-signed. That contract really made me shake my head though. At $4M for 6 years, you’re pretty much saying “ok, you are a top-end d-man, we know it.. we want you here long term”. How the eff do you make that determination after one year in the NHL?

    This sort of thinking has to stop.

  35. gr8one says:

    part of the problems with alot of contracts signed a couple of years ago, and not just with Oilers players was the lack of economic foresight by GM’s.

    The North American economies were riding high, the salary cap had gone up fairly significantly for consecutive years, and I think GM’s thought that would continue for years to come, and if that had of been the case, than the Horcoff’s/Gomez’s/Gilbert’s contracts would have ended up being mid-range cap hits…but instead, economy tanked, cap became stagnant, and the next thing we know we’re seeing UFA’s making less money than they otherwise would have, add to that GM’s getting more cap savvy in their contract creativity with those front loaded long term contracts really makes the above noted cap hits look pretty shitty.

    Not making excuses, but they are factors.

    and Racki, what you say about hope of some of our small skill guys needing to be traded to free up room for lineup graduates next year makes total sense, but really, we all said that last year, and this off season, but nothing happened. So yeah, I hope moves like that are made, but my confidence in Tambellini has gone from the initial high hopes, to his hands are tied but he’s trying, to guarded skepticism, and finally to what it is now, which is pretty much “does he even have a fucking plan, or intentions of doing ANYTHING”?

    and just a little last thought on Schremp, I prsonally think he will end up having a decent career, and when I look at his career thus far, I could honestly see it taking a very similar trajectory as Patrick Sharp, both were given up on by their draft teams, let go for practically nothing, and now we all know what Sharp has become in Chicago, I could really see Schremp being that for the Islanders, especially if he finds some chemistry with Okposo and/or Tavares. And I hope he does end up doing well, and I too am glad to see him get another chance, he just would not have had the opportunity here that he has as a NYI.

  36. MetalOil says:

    With their 4-1 win over the Sens today the Carolina Hurricanes are now only 4 points up on our Oilers for last place in the NHL. I know the team does not want to finish dead last but I really really really hope that we do and then go on to get the first pick overall. It would be new ground for the Oilers who have never picked higher then the 4th spot overall and getting Taylor Hall would bring a much needed new face to this franchise.

  37. gr8one says:


    As much as I hate it, I have to agree with you.

    I just hope that management does some housecleaning as well.

  38. Racki says:

    Well, I’ve really yet to figure out Tambellini. But the quote from above makes it sound like he’s going to evaluate (againnnn) the team for the next 18 games, and then after that, there will be a lot of players who are fair game. I don’t know what to make of that though because he’s had a pretty long time to evaluate the team, and someone that SHOULD be outta here could go on a roll… does that mean they’re now earning the right to stay here? Not in my books. I think that decision is already made now and it shouldn’t take an ultimatum to get performance out of the team to see who really wants to stay.

    Anyways, it would be a miracle if Tambellini somehow cleans up all the mid-range salary players, but it’s doable. If he manages to move Horcoff or Khabibulin without taking on another ugly contract, I’ll personally contribute part of my paycheque to the bronze statue the city will erect of him outside Rexall. 😆 However since that’s pretty unlikely, I’ll just be happy if they unload the mid range salary players the likes of Moreau, O’Sullivan, etc.

  39. Racki says:

    FYI the trade deadline is March 3, about a week after the Winter Olympics closes.

  40. MetalOil says:

    I look at it this way. This is our 31st year in the NHL and we have never finished in last place before. With 29 other teams in the league we are due to experience this( I know it ain’t perfect math with the amount of teams in the NHL fluctuating). Hey I myself would much rather be a part of the 16 teams battling it out for a cup but finishing in last place was bound to happen at some point and if we do get the first pick overall then think about the excitement for us Oiler fans heading into the draft. In a few years it could be looked back at as a very special moment in Oiler history. My only fear is losing the 1st overall pick due to the lottery.

  41. Racki says:

    The Oilers should have scouts following Seguin, Hall and Fowler at every one of their games. 😛 Don’t Bonsignore this one!

  42. MetalOil says:

    Or even worse Steve Kelly. Forget all the fans yelling Doan….. Doan…… Doan…….. We could have had Iginla. I was at that draft back in 1995 and on the front page of the sports section the day of the draft getting a puck autographed by the player that would later on that day get picked #1 Bryan Berard. Unfortunately I was decked out in Toronto Maple Leaf Gear but forgive me as I was just a kid and had just moved to Edmonton from Kitchener Ontario. It did not take me long to erase all Maple Leaf propaganda from my brain and I soon converted to the Oil :)

  43. Racki says:

    I was also a fan of the Habs back then too, and they picked up Terry Ryan.. another stinker. Thankfully, scouting/drafting is improving. But man.. imagine if we would have had Iginla and Smyth here. Dohhh.

  44. zackman35 says:

    Hey guys, missed most of your convo but I’m pretty excited to see who ends up signing Kovi he may get to wear/worn a total of three different jerseys by the end of the summer.

    On the Oilers note, I really think lots of fans have lost focus on the whole ‘dynasty’ idea which is good because it is pretty fucking annoying. Every second poster at the OMB last year was referring to the dynasty after we strung together three + wins or at the very beginning of the season when we went 4-0-0.

    I really hope the organization as a whole gets better in the scouting/drafting area albeit it’s been looking quite a bit better these last few years. What I’m getting at though is hopefully we begin to consistently build strong teams, even if we don’t go to the finals every year but at least hit the playoffs pretty hard (like the Red Wings almost the past 20years).

  45. Racki says:

    Some tidbits for you folks care of OilersNation:

    – The boys worked on the powerplay during the minicamp and apparently did not impress Quinn. Units were: Brule, Gagner, O’Sullivan, Grebeshkov, Visnovsky.. and Nilsson, Horcoff, Penner, Gilbert, Souray.
    – Cogliano has been impressing Quinn lately and may get some better ice time (about f’in time).
    – Comrie started skating today. Given what we’ve been hearing and what we’ve seen with other players, I wouldn’t expect him back for a while still. But I guess that’s a plus. As Robin Brownlee pointed out, he’ll likely see a conditioning stint in Springfield before playing.
    – Pouliot was skating in the full practice today according to Brownlee. Someone on HFBoards mentioned he is going to Springfield tomorrow for a conditioning stint. Not sure where he heard that though… Brownlee doesn’t mention that.

    Anyone think this mini-camp will make a difference? I did at first, but I just don’t know. Not related to the camp, but I sure as hell hope that Tambellini has figured out by now what players need to stay and which need to go.

  46. gr8one says:

    I can’t see how the mini camp will really help much, it doesn’t change our personnel, and really, the team has seemed to have been putting in decent efforts…so what will a mini camp do?

    I get the reasoning behind not giving the team a golf holiday, but I honestly think that might have been better than a mini camp…getting away from hockey and the nightmare month this team had might have been better than bag skating and reminding them how bad they suck.

  47. gr8one says:

    Why am I not surprised a Canuck fan is responsible for this laser pointer crap?

    fucking idiots.

  48. Mr.Majestyk says:

    gr8one: I can’t see how the mini camp will really help much, it doesn’t change our personnel, and really, the team has seemed to have been putting in decent efforts…so what will a mini camp do?I get the reasoning behind not giving the team a golf holiday, but I honestly think that might have been better than a mini camp…getting away from hockey and the nightmare month this team had might have been better than bag skating and reminding them how bad they suck.

    From my understanding the mini-camp wasn’t about bag skating the players to punish them. The point was to re-establish the system with the players so that we aren’t such a ‘dumb’ team moving forward. Its pretty tough to play with confidence if you don’t know what you are doing. Mental breakdowns occur because players are unsure of what they should do in a given situation. Of course, sometimes the player knows what he’s supposed to do, but in the heat of the moment makes a poor decision. Intense practice can help to make those plays so standard that you learn to do it automatically.

    Not sure I like the fact that we need a mini-camp though. Its definitely a knock on our players that they can’t figure this out by watching game tapes and regular practice over the course of the season like normal teams do. Minny was terrible at the start of the season but they slowly pieced things together and turned things around. We came into the season fired up and full of intensity, but always made the crucial blunders. We’ve never been able to correct the blunders.

  49. Racki says:

    So for those that missed it, there apparently is a rumor floating around of an uncompleted trade, awaiting NHL approval:

    To OTT:
    Andrew Cogliano

    To EDM:
    Brian Lee, Jim O’Brien, 2nd rounder

    Until Eklund Twatwaffle reports it, I won’t believe it. 😛

    And apparently Cogliano and Tencer had a conversation about it: Dan Tencer: “The internet says you’re traded.” Andrew Cogliano: “Again? Where am I going this time.”

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