General Discussion

By , September 30, 2009 6:18 pm

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  1. Racki says:

    If it’s Hemsky or Gagner, I definitely say Hemsky. I’m not sure the Kings do it, but they actually might given Penner is there and the two have known chemistry..

    So let’s say Hemsky + Omark for Bernier plus….

    That would give us:
    Hall Gagner Yakupov
    Hartikainen Nuge Eberle
    Smyth Horcoff Jones (or Paajarvi.. poor guy :P)
    4th line TBD but probably Eager Belanger Petrell

    Smid Petry
    Whitney J. Schultz
    Sutton/Peckham N. Schultz/Potter

    Bernier/Dubnyk (1a/1b)

    I like that more.. but I think the Oilers will wait for Khabi’s contract to be done before making a move in net. Just my hunch. Also, damn do we have a young lineup.

  2. Steve-O says:

    Hold on, I thought Jones has to go. Give em Jones.

  3. Metal&Oil says:

    Yeah I think I undervalued Bernier with the Jones/Omark proposal but I would have to think that Hemsky would be an overpay. Not too sure what a deal for Jonathan would really look like.

  4. chucker says:

    Metal&Oil:
    Yeah I think I undervalued Bernier with the Jones/Omark proposal but I would have to think that Hemsky would be an overpay. Not too sure what a deal for Jonathan would really look like.

    I am not sure you did. What did Tampa pay for Lindback? Not much. I think a roster player and a good prospect is more than enough despite “pedigree”. Halak was cheap too.

  5. Metal&Oil says:

    Gene Principe tweeting that Oilers have possibly agreed to term with Gagner @ $13M for 4 years -He was careful in stating that this is not yet official.

    I hope it is. That’s a good term and rate!!!

    Edit: Yeah it’s not true.

  6. Racki says:

    Ya, unfortunately those more in the know (Such as Bob Stauffer) are saying it is false, however I sure as hell hope it’s true. That will be a Hemsky (at his $4.1M cap hit) bargain contract in no time.

  7. chucker says:

    Gagner at 3.25 I guess would be good. I see this getting resolved before they have to compare him to Kyle Wellwood. (hopefully).

  8. chucker says:

    Nash to the Rags for Dubinsky, Erixon and Anisimov.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=401276

  9. Metal&Oil says:

    I posted this in the forum but thought it is interesting enough to post here as well:

    Interesting article posted on Oil on White that says the Oilers were gonna select Ryan Murray with the 1st overall pick until the team was contacted by Schultz and/or his agent prior to the draft, saying that Schultz intended to sign with the Oilers.

    http://oilonwhyte.com/2012/07/31/how-ju … nhl-draft/

    Really I don’t see any truth in this.

    If the Oilers were contacted (prior to the draft) by the Schultz camp about signing with the Oilers then I think that would be considered tampering since Schultz did not become a free agent until June 25th(after the draft) and was still property of the Ducks.

  10. oilinblood says:

    ^^^^^^^^^^^
    I do not believe that is how itwent down. The original author may not be lying as much as misunderstanding. I agree that as of the draft it would have been tampering to directly tell the Oilers that they had Schultz wrapped up. Lets remember that the Oilers still didnt even have a coach… and were looking like quite the idiots.

    I believe the Oilers WERE going to draft for need and pick Murray. ALOT of “insiders” were starting to agree with Bob Macs original prediction, and mine :) (Oilers, Sens), that the oilers were a front runner. Things were slowly slipped to the press – he wanted a canadian city, he wanted a chance to QB a pp and be a top 4 guy right away, he wanted a young and up-and-coming team. Soon everyone was predicting the Oil involved.

    During the lead up to the draft Toronto acquired the rights to negotiate with Schultz. Schultz turned them down and talks ceased. He said thank you but i want to weigh my options. So the Jake Gardiner reasoning for going to UFA was shattered and the leafs werent a front runner. Most GMs knew about this by the morning of the draft – even though the ducks left the leafs with the ability to continue talking with the Schultz camp.

    At that point, the morning of the draft, i am certain the Oilers felt that with the leafs and gardiner NOT the reason the Schultz camp were going to UFA it left the door open realistically that the Oilers could make a pitch. However, this was a team that hadnt picked their coach yet.

    This is likely when the scouts were asked what they felt about Klefbom AND oilers sent feelers out to other scouts. The question was Klefbom or MUrray. A very high percentage of Scouts nodded to Klefbom, pretty much unanimous. The Oilers also felt that shopping Klef for a top 5 pick would be a backwards step, since Columbus was set on taking Murray if the Oilers werent.
    The Oilers feel that Klefbom can back them into a wall though… if things with Schultz dont materialize. Klefbom is pulling a bit of a Omark and saying if he isnt in the NHL he would rather be in the SEL. In other words there is a chance this guy isnt willing to work on his game in the A.

    I believe putting their hopes on JUST Klefbom if they were to fail at landing Schultz, was a source of trepidation.

    In the end The Oilers go with the plan… they have klefbom -judged to be better and more nhl ready than murray, Marincin judged to be a year off and Musil 1-2 years. They pick the best player rather than need and announce the poster boy Yakupov. The Oilers already stated a billion times that whether they draft Nail or not they had no fears of Nail wanting to run off to the KHL. So there were no other real issue.

    After the draft Krueger gets hired and now the team can go make their pitch to schultz.

    I have done a good job of calming down my expectations of Justin schultz, a guy whose college numbers make Whitneys college years look like SEL years. The guy is an offensive dynamo. His numbers rank him with the best all-time. We will see how well it translates.

  11. Ktown says:

    oilinblood:
    ^^^^^^^^^^^
    The Oilers feel that Klefbom can back them into a wall though… if things with Schultz dont materialize. Klefbom is pulling a bit of a Omark and saying if he isnt in the NHL he would rather be in the SEL. In other words there is a chance this guy isnt willing to work on his game in the A.

    I’m not disagreeing with your overall take. It’s as good an opinion as any, but I do have to take issue with the above.

    I don’t think Klefbom is pulling an Omark at all. He’s signed for one more season with Skelleftea, and they have a lot of veterans moving on. The probability that’s been well publicized is that Klefbom will get big minutes with a bigger role this season in the SEL.

    I haven’t read/heard/seen anything on Klefbom saying he wouldn’t play in the AHL. I actually seem to recall him saying he’d play wherever when he finally came over to NA to play permanently. But, knowing he’s got one more season committed, and that he’ll likely see big-time play time, even the Oilers management have stated that they’d rather he play the season in the SEL if they can’t put him in the bigs to start.

    The biggest issue for everybody is that the SEL season starts around the same time as NHL training camp. Without knowing where he’d play (NHL/AHL), everybody is indicating it’s in Klefbom’s best interests in terms of development to play in Sweden. Instead of wasting SEL games by bringing him to camp, the Oil will likely tell him to go ahead and play out his final season overseas.

  12. Racki says:

    http://www.thestarphoenix.com/sports/Oilers+sign+prospect+Oscar+Klefbom/6774989/story.html

    Doesn’t sound like Tambellini is upset if Klefbom wants to stay in the SEL… as long as he gets good minutes there. But you can tell he prefers to have Klefbom here.

    Also, this is an interesting revelation:

    Lundén:According to sources who’ve talked to Klefbom the Oilers have tried to persuade Klefbom, offering him a spot on the Oilers roster with guaranteed ice-time, a guarantee that the highly thought of Schultz didn’t receive (or so they say). Klefbom have yet to make up his mind, saying “it’s obviously a lucrative offer” that “makes you think” but “nothing is decided yet and I’ve asked them for more time to make a final decision”.

    Source: Lowetide on Oilers Nation

    Guaranteed minutes offered to Klefbom? That’s interesting.

  13. chucker says:

    Good to hear. I would rather Klefbom be over here. Really, he is just as good as Schultz is touted to be. It would be ideal to have him come over and I think that if he does he will do well. Also it might help out MPS. Nothing like having a fellow countryman to help you out. Same goes for Lander.

  14. Metal&Oil says:

    I’m in the camp that wants the Klefbom to play one more year in the SEL. He will have a much larger role this year with Färjestads and already poses a style of play that is suited for NA. We will already be exposing one rookie blueliner to our lineup and doing the same with 2 would be a little too much IMO. Besides we save a year on his ELC if he plays overseas for just one more year.

  15. oilinblood says:

    –Waaaaaay off topic but just wondering if anyone has heard if Grant Fuhr will be doing any more public appearances/signings in the next couple of days. Im not a big follower of this stuff but had a game used goal stick given to me by a broadcasting friend a few years ago and i have had the intention of getting it signed for a while. I also have a few other sticks from Doug Weight to Jani Rita… the Jani Rita is particularly valuable for its intense curve which allows me to really give the eavestrough a thorough cleaning. I had never known, up to a couple years ago, that the teams pay for the players sticks.

    Which brings me to another question… if the team is responsible for buying sticks…do they buy ALL the players equipment? I guess I kind of understand an employer supplying the tools but if so … you would think it would be very easy to pass rules on controlling equipment size and materials.

    ———————–
    responding to above-

    @KTOWN Hows your summer been? And it was just my opinion, putting the pieces together. He had been on the record of stating he wasnt going to play in the A this year -either NHL or SEL (then said it again during prospect camp). Yes, he does have alot more developmental reasons to make that directional decision than Omark did (playing time and responsibility thanks to graduation of others). I still think his game will need to adjust to the smaller ice as; gaps close faster- boards are much closer- players are able to plow thru you or by you – and working a guy to the outside is less effective than on big ice ( a strong push or good forward partner for the puck possession forward can make you look schooled much faster). I look at guys like Larsson and Hedman and the timing issues they had early on. The Oilers I dont think can handle that at this point (if they arent going to crap the season again).

    I honestly dont believe the oilers would give a promise of ice time… especially before camp. Maybe if he has a good camp they might say “we will give you the 9 games (iknow its a jr rule and doesnt apply but i like the 9 game look) to prove you can stick and at least ** minutes per game”. However i felt that was likely what they did with Schultz. Nick Schultz Smid and whitney are on the left with sutton a 7th man, petry Jschultz and potter on the right. not sure how any promises to klefbom would be wise.
    Not to mention Peckham still kicking around.

    Also i would like him in the A so he can get call ups.

    does he benefit from staying another year in the SEL? not in my mind. we can give him the ice time and all that stuff (AHL). He has to get used to the small ice either way. its either putting that learning curve off until the start of another season so he spends 30 games or 60 adjusting… or do it now and give him the minutes anyways.

    BAM. maybe its an AHL promise. If you dont stick here… we will give you the same kind of minutes and opportunity that you would have had in the SEL. European hockey starts earlier than ours so it makes sense that the oilers would make this pitch to get him to camp.

    my 2 cents.

  16. john says:

    I would love to see Klefbom here but that has more to do with my desire to see what he’s all about than what’s best for the team! The Oilers have a difficult situation developing on the defence; they have a glut of #3-7 Dmen either on the roster or pushing their way in but no bonafide #1 & 2 guys yet. Whitney is a #1-2 guy but can’t play a whole season so i don’t count him.What we end up with is a handful of “potential” top pairing NHL studs who are expecting high minutes but haven’t earned any more right to it than the pile of guys who are wallowing in the last four spots. The 7 available spots are already accounted for but
    we have guys like Tuebert & Plante who will either need a spot on the big team this fall or get shipped out, not to mention Fedun who could make a big push again soon!

  17. oilinblood says:

    good call on Fedun. I keep forgetting about him and hope he has a good camp to bring his name back into conversations.

  18. Bostonoiler says:

    Not sure if this has been dicussed, but would anyone else be open to signing Rozsival from the Yotes to a 2-year deal? He can play top-4 minutes and move around the lineup, and was huse for the Coyotes this past season and playoff run, as well as being a solid defender with the Rangers when he played there. Would be an interesting add, would it not?

    I love the J-Bo option too, but doubt Feaster sends him this way, and I’m not sure Tambi is willing to take on that contract. Just figured I’d ask on Rozsival, and glad to see POTF is still kickin strong!

  19. chucker says:

    Bostonoiler:
    Not sure if this has been dicussed, but would anyone else be open to signing Rozsival from the Yotes to a 2-year deal? He can play top-4 minutes and move around the lineup, and was huse for the Coyotes this past season and playoff run, as well as being a solid defender with the Rangers when he played there. Would be an interesting add, would it not?

    I love the J-Bo option too, but doubt Feaster sends him this way, and I’m not sure Tambi is willing to take on that contract. Just figured I’d ask on Rozsival, and glad to see POTF is still kickin strong!

    I hate the Jay Bow talk personally. I too have been wondering about Roszival. If you pick him up you have to trade some guys though. We already have too many guys signed on waiver eligible contracts on the back end. I do think Roszival makes us better though. It would likely mean trading Potter or Pecks and possibly somebody else to force a forward upgrade and you would see the Gagner rumours heat up again. I was thinking that if they signed him, it should have been a few weeks ago so they could deal with everything else that they would have to because of extra bodies. Maybe it let’s you trade Whitney….

  20. Racki says:

    Again, advising against trading Peckham….

    On board with trading Whitney though. I’ve been saying it for a while. I like him, just I think it’s a case of something similar to Hemsky. Good player, but he’s been injured so much that he’s practically useless to us. I hate saying it though, cause i do like him.

  21. chucker says:

    Racki:
    Again, advising against trading Peckham….

    On board with trading Whitney though. I’ve been saying it for a while. I like him, just I think it’s a case of something similar to Hemsky. Good player, but he’s been injured so much that he’s practically useless to us. I hate saying it though, cause i do like him.

    Yeah. Agreed om Pecks.

  22. oilinblood says:

    @BO – I have liked Rosz for quite a while…solid rhd. He is maybe lookin for too much term or i think we would have snagged him. Its a good idea to say no to this guy if he is looking for anything more than a 2 year. Had we not signed JSchultz id say do it for 3-4Y but with his age it would likely shoot us in the foot eventually.
    On a 1 or 2 year? hell yeah. boot potter.

    Not too concerned for pecks. good guy. better turn heads like crazy this year because competition is looking steep for a few years on D. This is make it or break it time. PERIOD. put a fork in him if he falls on his face again.

    I like N Schultz alot but id have to think that with “cohesion” seemingly being a big part of Tambis player movement (or anti playr movement philosophy) I would imagine he might go first if we trade a d.

    Yandle? give him the show. trade what you have to.

    F-no to Boumeester. Fno. Fno. … FNO.
    Other names. – Boychuk from Boston is rumored avail but not actively shopped. Could be had for a swap of 1sts from the oilers. If thats the case… i say we do it. again its rumor.
    McBain from Carolina. Solid dman on rhd side. Could likely be had for same price as Boychuk. Carolina is looking fierce.

    out of all the options Boychuk gets my vote. Even if it costs a bit more than the rumor. A guy like that, the way he plays, his leadership, his ability to play under pressure, hard minute muncher to a championship, calm. geter done.Another advantage is he would be a big part of the core and age wise slip right in. He is exactly what JSchultz is not… and a bit of what Petry still needs to improve on. Him and Smid/NSchultz might be your Shutdown pair and PK1.
    (rumor was B’s were open to moiving him for a early second or late 1st type value…with futures/dps more attractive. not sure if they would want to flip picks or add something to obtain a 2nd pick in the 1st flat out… but i have a feeling Tambi wouldnt part with his 1st without one back and a 2nd might not be attractive enough to get the deal done fast. Tambo likes his DPs but i say this year there bettr be worlds of improvement.)

  23. Racki says:

    Tweet from Dan Tencer:

    Oscar Klebom to http://NHL.com – “Edmonton wants me to come over and try but I don’t want to come over and feel like I’m not ready.”

    So that’s pretty much that… Klefbom will be staying in Sweden this year, it would seem.

  24. dawgtoy says:

    Oilers.com in regards to Klefbom

    http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=639611&navid=DL|EDM|home

  25. Metal&Oil says:

    Nail Yakupov will wear #64 according to his agent Igor Larionov. Jason Bonsignore was the last and only other Oiler to ever don those digits.

  26. Alan-NottsUK says:

    N(ail)64 :D

  27. chucker says:

    Metal&Oil:
    Nail Yakupov will wear #64 according to his agent Igor Larionov. Jason Bonsignore was the last and only other Oiler to ever don those digits.

    I was hoping he would wear 8 as an homage to Larionov.

  28. dawgtoy says:

    And on the Hall and Eberle contract extension front.
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=403531#YourCallTop

  29. chucker says:

    http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/2012/08/23/20132416.html

    Ironic for Bieksa to be on this. His entire team would be on that list.

  30. Metal&Oil says:

    chucker:
    http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/2012/08/23/20132416.html

    Ironic for Bieksa to be on this. His entire team would be on that list.

    Goota LOL at that Twitter comment from the article “Love how the NHL is treating divers like child predators. Cracks me up”.

  31. chucker says:

    Metal&Oil: Goota LOL at that Twitter comment from the article “Love how the NHL is treating divers like child predators. Cracks me up”.

    Have you seen these guys? Lol 422-TIPS

  32. Mr.Majestyk says:

    Horcoff should be traded so that Nail can have 10.

  33. chucker says:

    http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/wpg120824.html

    I know all sources deny the trade demand but this rumour has been out there for months. Where there is smoke there is fire?

  34. Racki says:

    Damn would it be nice to have Evander Kane here, hey? He plays the left wing, and is a tough SOB, as evidenced by the [url=http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCkQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3WKAY7BETEg&ei=XQg9UOyAKcShrAG_zoDwBQ&usg=AFQjCNFZLi7x4ifKn8YmCTTAOTa3CyrKyw]knockoutpunchheardroundtheworld[/url].

    We are week at LW after Hall (there’s Smytty.. he’s getting closer to retirement.. theirs unproven Paajarvi.. and there’s Jones who usually plays RW, and there’s Hartikainen – none really stand out, save for Paajarvi potentially).

    That said, I don’t think we make a move for him, nor should we probably do it. But I always find it fun to think about the possibility anyways, so here goes:

    Hall Nuge Eberle
    Kane Gagner Yakupov
    Smyth Horcoff Hemsky
    Somerandombum Belanger Jones

    Not too shab

  35. dawgtoy says:

    Linus, hope you enjoy playing in Zug.

    http://lowetide.ca/blog/2012/08/omark-to-zug.html

  36. Racki says:

    Prediction: a few youtube videos will be made.. and he’ll disappear into the European leagues for a number of years before resurfacing.

  37. chucker says:

    The thing I ask myself about Omark is this; Is he really much better than Nilsson was? Other than being stronger on the puck, I have to say no. He has good numbers but Nilsson was decent too amd had great skill as well. Being smaller players and not great defensively made them expendable. Had they been six foot and 200 lbs, the Oilers would have them on the roster. Simple as that. We have a plethora of small skilled players. We need bigger skilled players. This year’s draft says it all.

  38. Metal&Oil says:

    I don’t know what it is about Omark but he really seems to strike up a lot of emotion amongst Oiler fans. I don’t really get it and have been indifferent to him. I have always seen him as a complementary player at best. To be honest I am just glad that this whole thing is likely over and we won’t have to talk about him that much anymore.

  39. Racki says:

    Hell hath no fury like an Oiler fan scorned, I suppose. I don’t care for him one way or another. I don’t hate him… I don’t particularly like him. I think he’s got good skill that would benefit a team like the Red Wings, perhaps. But I do recognize too that his attitude is questionable at best. Oilers fans are generally a little ticked that he seemed to have a sense of entitlement, and wouldn’t pay his dues in OKC.

    I’ll be happy he is gone for similar reasons.. we don’t need any negativity around here.. not necessarily HIS negativity, but fans harping on players and such (Although fans will just find a new target).

    Like Chucker said, I also just think he’s really redundant here.. not the player we need. But I can see him being a good fit on another team.

  40. Steve-O says:

    *walks in* interesting read here *walks out*

  41. gr8one says:

    Steve-O:
    *walks in* interesting read here *walks out*

    Indeed, very good read.

  42. chucker says:

    Yeah I really had to wonder why the hell we re-signed him. We have lots of fourth line ready guys in the A. Lander was rushed. That is obvious. He likely needs another season in the A too.

    Hordichuck and Eager….what do you expect? I suspect Eager will be better this year and hopefully with a clearly defined mission.

    Put me in the “insert random plug here” for Petrell and Hordichuk category. VV or Hartikainen would be find.

  43. Racki says:

    I don’t mind Petrell at all, myself. I am not much of a stats guy. I believe they rarely tell the whole story and are often too open to interpretation. I’d be curious to see how say a Draper/Maltby (when they were young) stats would have looked on a last place team with similar linemates, minutes, zone starts, goaltending/defense etc..

    I’m not saying Petrell is a great player by any means, but I never got the sense that he was that bad, and he seemed to be helping our PK. I admittedly could be completely wrong. I’ve never been completely sold on how some folks completely hang everything on advanced stats.

    I DO think we need work in our bottom six though. I wouldn’t say Petrell is a problem though.. I also wouldn’t say he stands out in a good way either.. probably fairly neutral would be my guess, which makes him replaceable.

    I agree on Hartikainen.. wouldn’t mind seeing a shot for him there, although I’d love it if he can make his way into the top 9 quickly.

  44. gr8one says:

    I agree that I’m not convinced the problem was Petrell, I think the problem is putting three cusp NHL’ers on one line…there was just nothing good that could come of it, I certainly think with the right linemates he has some good qualities he can add.

    Just look at Colin Fraser, he loked terrible on our roster, but put him in LA with a defi9ned role with better linemates and he had a lot to contribute.

  45. chucker says:

    Is Petrell any better than Reddox? Reddox was effective and hit and was effective but I remember lots of griping about him. The same argument could apply to him, or heck, Patrik Thoresen even. Decent fourth liners or guys on an extremely thin team that would be good with better coaching and defined roles? Just playing Devil’s Advocate.

    I liked both for the record. They just were ordinary grinders on really horrible teams. Does the same apply to Petrell? Maybe. This year will hopefully tell us the answer. If anything, it buys us time to keep VV, Paajarvi, Lander and Hartikainen in development before permanent promotion.

  46. Racki says:

    I think Petrell is better than Reddox just by virtue of having the size to go with the abilities that they both seem to share. Reddox was all heart, but that tiny frame doesn’t do much damage in the NHL. That was my only beef with Reddox though. I liked him outside of the size issue.. all drive, that guy.

    But I have always kind of leaned towards what Gr8one mentioned.. we put out one guy that looks like he could be decent, and sandwich him between two plugs.. and he’s doomed to fail.

    I hate to dig up old wounds, but imagine if we had Brodziak and Glencross here still. Those two with Petrell or Jones would be a tough line to play against. But instead, we have a Ben Eager who shows up every other night, and a Hordichuk who gets 37 seconds of ice time…. or Lander who just plain old wasn’t ready… or whatever other young rook we tried to cycle in there that wasn’t really ready for the show.

    I think Eager COULD be a good 4th liner (maybe even 3rd liner) if he actually showed up every night. He seems to take Diva-nights off, Ales Hemsky style. But when he’s on, he’s on and would be a great piece of a solid 4th (or again, even 3rd) line.

  47. Racki says:

    BTW, I will say I’m never really opposed to upgrading these types of guys (Petrell) if possible. I just think the article Steve-O linked saying Petrell was brutally awful is a bit of hyperbole based on stats reading… which I don’t really buy into much. I will concede that of the stats the author provided nothing stood out as particularly good (and for the most part was all bad). I haven’t had any time to compare vs. other similar role players, consider linemates, opponents, and all of that though. I would definitely be content in seeing him with some rock solid role players though.. or at least guys that are willing to play that role night in night out at their best level (which I wouldn’t say Belanger or Eager did… but if they did, things might look a lot better for Petrell).

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