General Discussion

By , September 30, 2009 6:18 pm

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  1. oilinblood says:

    Racki:
    I always prefer to go with the devil I know… but there was a time where I was all drooly for Nintendo-rider. Still am, in a way. I think he’ll pull out of this, like Magnus will. But it definitely is concerning to see both those guys struggling so badly.

    word for word.
    One thing that i would add is that i had very different expectations for nino and magnum. Nino i never saw as more than a guy who would evolve into a hartnell peca or ott. Magnus i believed would be an offensive dynamo. I am and was a big fan of both and felt both were important players in the future. i might be mistaken but didnt nino get a pretty big concussion earlier this year?

    i do feel nino would be more valuable on this team than magnus because of the role i see both being best used in and which asset is more neceded. As Rack said though, i would much rather keep players we know and only make moves when we know we need that role or piece.

  2. Racki says:

    Yah that’s the way I saw Nino too. Tough player that can score 20-ish.. maybe 30-ish in a good year. Magnus’ expectations were very very high. I think most thought he’d be our best kid. But hey, he IS adjusting to a different rink size. I’m patient. Look how long it took the Sedins to get in the groove. I’d say it wasn’t until their 5th NHL year (including 1 year back in Europe) that they really broke out. Gotta be patient here.

  3. zackman35 says:

    dean youngblood82:
    Galchenyuk saw limited ice time tonight (just over 8min) and only 2min in the third. Most of his shifts were 20-30s and off so don’t put too much stock in his production in his first game back. For the most time his time was spent regrouping or retrieving as the Sting were unable to get any movement up the ice going

    He was on for three goals against (hence -3) but one was one a bad line change, another as a PP ended and the other was a goalmouth scramble so none were from his defensive flaws. Actually he played well defensively

    He saw limited PP time but showed a few flashes of his vision and playmaking skills.

    The main thing was that he was skating well with no signs of poor affexts from surgery.

    Should be interesting how the sting progress with his icetime over the next few games. I’d expect it could take 5 or so games to knock the rust off

    On a side note. Media/scout room was full tonight and EDM had several scouts there.

    Nothing unexpected. Still good to know.

  4. oilinblood says:

    Racki:
    Yah that’s the way I saw Nino too. Tough player that can score 20-ish.. maybe 30-ish in a good year. Magnus’ expectations were very very high. I think most thought he’d be our best kid. But hey, he IS adjusting to a different rink size. I’m patient. Look how long it took the Sedins to get in the groove. I’d say it wasn’t until their 5th NHL year (including 1 year back in Europe) that they really broke out.Gotta be patient here.

    on the same page word for word.
    as for magnums development i would say that he is adjusting to reads in traffic. the smaller ice means gaps/lanes can open and close rapidly. magnus, coming from a larger ice surface will naturally have more confidence on the rush where his speed will eliminate the amount of taken ice. However, when you were on a dump and chase linne with belanger and jones… you retrieve the puck to find alot of bodies between you and the net and alot of low percentage board play to get some free space. I am not knocking renney for having magnum on that line as much as i am pointing out the scenario. Fact is Magnum was a rush player in the sel, he can be a rush player in the nhl, but it will take him a long time to adapt if he needs to grind -ala the sedins. he certainly has the size to fill out and be an effective top 6 player who can play both games but it will take the time.\
    Comparing Magnum to RNH and eberle and to a lesser extent hall… is worlds of difference for gap and lane read in heavy traffic. By far Nugget is the best at this. It will come… but slower if he is always dump and chasing.

    my one issue with magnum has been his milking of small infractions against him. he has gotten better but i was disgusted at him on more than a handful of occassions at the beginning of the year. Stuff like that can be contageous so i wanted him to be talked to right away before we turned into the canucks.

  5. Racki says:

    The Canucks billed the Oilers $13,000 for damage to a camera caused by Ben Eager while he was in the penalty box. In turn, the Oilers docked the money from Eager’s salary ($1.1M/year). The NHLPA has now filed a grievance against the Oilers.

    More here.

  6. G&S says:

    I would not surprised if some radio station started a fund raiser to pay the fine like the they did for MacT in the famous “Hand Pass” debacle :) I guess this one ain’t getting much press. That or ppl have no sympathy for a person who gets paid millions to play a game and then acts a child and goes all smashy smashy.

  7. G&S says:

    For those of you that have been going to the OilKings games: What have your impressions been for Griffen Rienthart thus far in the series? I’ve heard Chris Prongers name being tossed around for a comparison. Does that seem accurate at all?

  8. Racki says:

    To be honest, I haven’t noticed him a lot. He seems to be solid, and he’s a tough player. But he hasn’t been jumping out at me just yet as “OMG, it’s Griffen Reinhart!!!”. He’s had some good battles with his brother (Max) though. I’m trying to pay a bit more attention to him though, and will as the playoffs go on.

    To be honest, it can be a bit hard to focus on some players. Probably because I’m not totally familiar with the team just yet. Also possibly because we’re in the attack 2x zone, so you don’t get to see a lot of defense there. I’ve noticed Pysyk quite a bit (very reliable), but he’s also older.

  9. G&S says:

    Hmm. He is probably ranked out of our range anyways. I am one of those “Just get a D” guys so It is probably between Murray or Dumba for my choice but what do I know? Last year I had huge reservations with the Nuge and wanted Larsson so…..

  10. Racki says:

    I’m still a BPA guy. Unless we land the #1, maybe #2 pick, the guy we draft won’t likely be making much impact in our lineup for a year, two years.. maybe 3 or 4. So as far as I’m concerned, the next pick we make is just to stock the cupboards.

    I’m all for boosting our blueline, and maybe if there was this all-around defensive god out there (aside from this year’s “he reminds me of Chris Pronger / Nick Lidstrom!”), I’d be more for it. I mean, I don’t quite buy it. But I haven’t been watching these guys close enough either. I just am skeptical that there’s a “next Chris Pronger” or “next Nick Lidstrom” and they aren’t competing for 1 or 2, let alone owning the #1 or 2 spot. That’s just my 2 cents though.

    My #1 preference (and it is unlikely to happen, but a guy can dream) would be to trade that 1st round pick for an established young, but NHL savvy d-man. Let’s get this show on the road now. Hall and Nuge and Eberle are already ready to be NHL stars (Eberle and Hall already are, imho). It never hurts to keep the shelves stocked though, just saying I’m not looking for this dream defenseman to save our team next year in this coming draft.

  11. hemmerlady says:

    Don’t know how much stock anyone puts into mock drafts but all of them on the NHL site have us at #2 picking Ryan Murray (D). What say you about him?

    This is probably old news to you folks who are well-versed in prospect-talk (everyone but me). There’s a Staples article from January I didn’t read until today that talks about him as well as a few of the other high-up prospects.

    If I’m bringing up an already-dead topic, feel free to shoot me down. Unless you’re OIB in which case, take ‘er easy, I’m still taking deep breaths about the various hemmer rants. j/k

  12. Racki says:

    They have us taking Murray at 2 (which we might not even be ranked now) because everyone knows we need a D badly. But I think the scouts, without considering team need, would put Nail Yakupov and Mikhail Grigorenko ahead of everyone in the draft.. on their own little pedestal.. then everyone else is a whole other topic.

    I think that’s the problem with the mock drafts though, is they’re trying to picture team needs at the same time and don’t just go best player available in those, necessarily.

    That said though, Ryan Murray was a big topic in last year’s draft. This isn’t the first time I’ve heard it said for a player, but the talk at the time was “if Ryan Murray was available in this draft, people would take him over Adam Larsson”.

  13. Alan-NottsUK says:

    NHL 13 cover will be decided by a fan vote.

    Which could have been awesome, but there are no write in votes, and you can vote multiple times.

    So a leaf or hab will most likely be on the cover.

    Ebs and Hall are the Oilers you can vote for.

  14. Racki says:

    This topic needs a link…

    Voila.. Link

    I’ll vote for Eberle. I think his season has been pretty damn good.

  15. hemmerlady says:

    Pierre Gauthier fired…I wonder how much longer Cunneyworth has.

    in other news, Leafs lose 7-1 to Philly. I admit I had a bit of glee when I saw they were getting a beating, but then I heard the fans booing at the end of the game… not just a boo of general displeasure, but an extended, loud, boo of disgust and frustration. Perhaps that’s routine in T.O. – not as newsworthy as it would be here for sure. I think the effort level was pretty sad on the team’s part but it has to be really demoralizing to hear your own fans turn on you.

    In conclusion, things are not fun for us – but at least we’re not Toronto…

  16. Alan-NottsUK says:

    Just found this old video of a Nottingham Panthers game from 1988. They were playing against Murrayfield, who had the best British player ever on their team Tony Hand, a name some of you may recognise from the Oilers 1986 draft

    In the 1985/86 season, Hand continued to clock up the points scoring 72 goals and 110 assists from 35 games to help Murrayfield finish 2nd in the League behind Durham, including his 200th goal against Peterborough Pirates on 8 February 1986. In 15 cup and playoff games, he also scored 35 goals and 36 assists as Murrayfield won both competitions. They beat Durham 8–5 in the Autumn Cup and Dundee 4–2 at Wembley. Personally, he was awarded the Young Player of the Year award winning a couple of weeks attendance at the Calgary Flames training camp to train with NHL players.

    Instead of attending the Flames training camp, Hand went to the Edmonton Oilers’ training camp after they had selected him in the 12th round (252nd and last overall) of 1986 NHL entry draft. There he survived the full fourteen days of camp without being cut, despite breaking his one and only stick on the first day and having to borrow one from Marty McSorley. Playing alongside players such as Wayne Gretzky and Mark Messier, he impressed coach Glen Sather and was offered a contract to play Junior Hockey for a year. Suffering from homesickness, Hand turned it down but agreed to return the following year. Hand was the first of only two British born and trained player ever to have been drafted by an NHL team (the second being Colin Shields).

    Before returning home to Scotland, Hand played briefly for the Junior Western Hockey League’s Victoria Cougars, with whom he had trained before the Edmonton camp, scoring eight points in only three games, but returned to Scotland a few months later due to exhaustion from the demands of training, playing and press interest.

    Glen Sather – ‘”At the training camp I could see that he had a great ability to read the ice and he was the smartest player there other than Wayne Gretzky. He skated well. His intelligence on the ice stood out. He was a real prospect.”

  17. chucker says:

    http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=392867#YourCallTop

    Really? Really? What a mess. Just move the team already.

  18. Alan-NottsUK says:

    Dustin Penner on Vigneault recognizing him as someone Canucks must stop: “I think he recognized me from my 4 years in Edmonton. I don’t know if you watched me but I used to be a good player.”

  19. hemmerlady says:

    Geez Penguins, hang on to a lead, would ya? Other than that, holy hell was that a good game!

  20. oilinblood says:

    Racki:
    The Canucks billed the Oilers $13,000 for damage to a camera caused by Ben Eager while he was in the penalty box. In turn, the Oilers docked the money from Eager’s salary ($1.1M/year). The NHLPA has now filed a grievance against the Oilers.

    More here.

    interesting article and i agree with both sides (which in this case is possible). from the oilers perspective, yes eager was responsible. from the unions perspective; are the canucks one to trust with costs assessment, i mean this is the team that constantly dives and embellishes. both sides definitely have their point. 13 k for an hd camera here in 2012… does seem a bit steep– like 100% mark-up steep and that is if it is made with a diamond lens that was blessed by the pope or made of ghandi’s glasses.

  21. Racki says:

    Bit of a “conflict of interest”, but I love it….

    Team Canada has invited Ryan Murray to the World’s.

    Why is this a conflict of interest? Well, Kevin Lowe is the GM for this, of course… so it gives him a bit of a preview for the draft, and well.. I’m not so sure Murray would have been there if not for that. But this just gives me one more reason to watch this thing! Hopefully he gets plenty of shifts for us to preview him.

  22. hemmerlady says:

    oh my… the Kings have quite the stranglehold. That’s really too bad.

    :D

  23. Racki says:

    The playoffs are playing out pretty much exactly as I had hoped. Loving it. I need the Wings to go down early too, so I can stop hearing from a co-worker how amazing they are and how every team needs to be modeled after them.

  24. dawgtoy says:

    Cue the excuses …

    oilinblood: interesting article and i agree with both sides (which in this case is possible). from the oilers perspective, yes eager was responsible. from the unions perspective; are the canucks one to trust with costs assessment, i mean this is the team that constantly dives and embellishes. both sides definitely have their point. 13 k for an hd camera here in 2012… does seem a bit steep– like 100% mark-up steep and that is if it is made with a diamond lens that was blessed by the pope or made of ghandi’s glasses.

    Eager will win his grievance.

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  25. chucker says:

    Just saw on Global that Kruger will not be back and is looking for work in Europe. The rats are jumping ship.

  26. Racki says:

    Chucker: This is based off a european article that was translated. Kreuger denied truth to this. But that doesn’t mean anything. Anyways, I’ll believe it when i see it.

  27. Racki says:

    No Youtube video on this yet (maybe TSN?), but Raffi Torres will most certainly be suspended for a hit on Marian Hossa. Torres skated hard and left his feet just before driving his shoulder into the head of Hossa. Hossa was carted off on a stretcher and taken to the hospital.

    My first reaction to the hit was that it was just a hockey hit gone bad, but then I saw the charge and him leaving his feet. Kind of a typical Raffi Torres hit. It’s unfortunate to see happen, really. I’m pretty sure that with Torres being a repeat offender, he’ll be getting an in-person hearing.

    edit: video:
    http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/clip660960#clip660960

  28. john says:

    About Kreuger; maybe Renney had a few drinks on his “vacation” & phoned Ralph telling him that the writting is on the wall so go look for a new job? The whole situation sucks & I hate how the Oilers are handling the coaching contract status. Meanwhile in Calgary all the media guys bring up 5 or 6 times a day the rumors that B. Sutter is being looked at for the Oilers head coaching job. Can’t tell me Renney isn’t hearing all that shit!

  29. Racki says:

    john:
    About Kreuger; maybe Renney had a few drinks on his “vacation” & phoned Ralph telling him that the writting is on the wall so go look for a new job? The whole situation sucks & I hate how the Oilers are handling the coaching contract status. Meanwhile in Calgary all the media guys bring up 5 or 6 times a day the rumors that B. Sutter is being looked at for the Oilers head coaching job. Can’t tell me Renney isn’t hearing all that shit!

    Nevermind Renney! It’s bothering me… lol I hate that we’re considering another coach, stalling the rebuild even more. You just know that Tambellini will use this as an excuse for another “evaluation year”.

  30. chucker says:

    Racki: Nevermind Renney! It’s bothering me… lol I hate that we’re considering another coach, stalling the rebuild even more. You just know that Tambellini will use this as an excuse for another “evaluation year”.

    What pisses me off is how this exact same thing happened a few years ago. Let them know so they can focus on next year or finding a new gig. This is just shameful.

  31. oilinblood says:

    I dont see the big deal with Tambi and Lowe possibly exploring options. I would see a problem if he wasnt exploring options. Renneys contract likely doesnt expire for a month or so and it is in the teams best interest to evaluate the coaches that will be fired in the next few weeks. Sutters name will always pop up when he is available because he wants to coach close to home – red deer- and cranbrook. I am 50-50 on the whole idea of him coaching. the flames were crap… but alot had to do with overrated signings like Boumeester the invisible (i would have made him SI’s most over-rated player), Jokinen, Tanguay. What surprised me was that Cammy got the Calgary suck in a quick fashion after coming over. I worry alot had to do with coaching and tactics. On the flip side… this sutters experience with youth (i think 20-0-1 in big international tourneys) is pretty tempting considering our squad for the next 3 years.

    i am NOT a renney fan when it comes to the actual coaching and in-game adjustments. Is he a good talker to the players, media, and fans? yes. But thats not gonna make him a good coach. Who knows… Sutter might be a Sather that lets his team learn and grow off the ice but expects the team to play smart and stay within the confines of the assistant coaches game plans. I think sather was the best kind of head coach…like Scotty Bowman. Assistant coaches run the drills, head coach has a good feel for his bench, the momentum, his opponent, game flow, and the personalities on his team, assistant coaches devise the strategys, work the video. Our victory in 97 vs dallas had alot to do with Ron Low having good matchups and he said he learned most of it from Sather and Muckler. Muckler was the x and o guy. People also forget we had roger neilson on our staff in 84 when we won the cup. Pocklington was too cheap and left him without a ring. I dont see much system strength from renney nor in-game adjustments. In otherwords i dont see much head coaching. Headcoaches arent paid to just deliver a speech then go to the bench to look pretty and give evil eyes to the refs.

    In other news Klefbom is close to signing a 3 yr deal with the oilers but rumor has it he will stay one more year in sweden. this is a 50/50 thing in my mind. next year he will get loads of ice time for a great tea. his stock has risen higher than alot of scouts expected and he looks to be the closest to Larsson from the draft class. I do fear the adaptation time to the smaller ice. He had a terrific world juniors and will be still eligible for 2013.
    Also in other news- Everyone keeps forgetting Magnus. Everyone is talking Nail, RNH, Hall, Eberle… but what about Magnus. Magnus has to be in our future plans . there is room for him in the top 6 but i am convinced that we will give up on him or nail in favor of Hemsky. Its a numbers game. Hemsky cant be moved anywhere, as most of the league was heard laughing hysterically at news of the signing and wouldnt touch the contract with a 200000 foot pole. I am liking the idea of moving someone to centre. Hall is the popular choice but i have always felt Magnus has the same build as federov. What happens to Gagner? Hemsky contract really kicks someone to the curb.
    if people think im picking on hemsky… first if we are looking at sutter lol hemsky is in for a big awakening. Eberle will be getting more ice time next year… he is THE man. I expect Eberle to also become apart of the second pk unit. he should be in the 20 minute area nightly. Nail plays best on the right where he can use his stamkos release. He could play left but that not the position he played to make him the elite talent of the draft. If you pick him he is penciled in at rw. Hall and Magnus are our lw’s of this era and rnh with Gagner seem to look like our centres. Sutter wont go with 3 scoring lines. He will want a 3rd checking line and 4th grinders, pounders. where is hemsky. if you dont draft nail …. than hemmer has a chance but i dont believe he survives sutter.

    As for trading down to pick a dman? That is just wrong. this is a unanimously weak draft. You have top pick, and at top pick you have the clear undisputed best prospect. IMHO you either take the top player of the draft that nobody could touch or you trade the pick for a top 2 Dman who is already proven and steady. You dont trade the top pick for another 3-4 guy. you dont trade the pick to draft a project d-man when there is the clear choice sniper that was #1 unchallenged for years. are there good d in this draft? yes. do the scouts compare them to last years draft? yes. scouts have said last years top d were far better than this years. So take all the other talk with a grain of salt. Klefbom will likely be better than anyone we draft on defense this year. You dont trade #1 to take a #46 if drafted in last years crop. Sure Nail might have been ranked 5th to 6th in last years draft but thats better than what scouts are comparing for the rest of this years draft.

  32. hemmerlady says:

    Racki:
    The playoffs are playing out pretty much exactly as I had hoped. Loving it. I need the Wings to go down early too, so I can stop hearing from a co-worker how amazing they are and how every team needs to be modeled after them.

    …you got your wish. Wings are down. :( I have growing concerns about my pool… we’ll see though, that’s the beauty of the playoffs. Anything can happen.

    I picked Boston but have to say I’m pleased that the Caps are holding their own. It would not break my heart if the Bruins go down.

    Does anyone think that Nuge has a fighting chance of winning the Calder? I think tying in points while playing 20+ fewer games pretty much says it all, but I’m biased and I’m sure there are other factors to consider. Management’s certainly trying to make their case for it.

  33. dawgtoy says:

    Stooooooooooooooll !!!!!!!!!

  34. dawgtoy says:

    Linus Omark cut from the Swedish WHC team….ain’t that a bitch! Should have gone for the playoffs in OKC huh???

  35. Racki says:

    Wow, that’s sort of a surprise, sort of not. But yep, definitely made the wrong choice. Asshat. Hopefully it humbles him some.

  36. dawgtoy says:

    Nothing like eating some humble pie!

  37. gr8one says:

    Omark couldn’t play for OKC without clearing waivers I thought?

  38. Racki says:

    Hmm, that might be the case, I can’t say for sure. Some sources out there seem to believe that once an NHL team’s season is done, waivers don’t apply (as long as the player is on the team’s Clear Day Roster, of course). I don’t know if that is true or not though.

  39. chucker says:

    Prediction: Omark will be playing in the KHL next year.

  40. chucker says:

    Omark indeed had to clear waivers. That is why he was allowed to go to Europe. He is a top six type guy. With the likes of Zetterberg, Alfredsson, Holmstrom, Silfverberg and a few others, this made him drop off of the picture. They were talking about it on Sporstnet today. Basically he lost out to established vets and that’s that.

    I still hope he gets to play in the NHL because I feel he has the talent. I just wonder if he has the patience to go work his way up another teams depth chart. It would be understandable if he signed in Europe or the KHL where he would be a top six guy and paid better to.

  41. Racki says:

    Good stuff. Glad to hear that he’s doing better. And I hope he finds a job at the NHL level again soon (and I’m sure he’s will).

  42. Racki says:

    Just so everyone is aware, I’ve been pretty scarce in these parts lately because life/work has been busy. In addition I’ve been pretty hard at work on (but enjoying it!) building a keeper league manager for the Foil’s Keeper League. Lots of work! But it will definitely be worth it in the end, for those of you in our keeper league.

    At any rate, that, it’s taken away from my time to post on the Foil Blog and Forum. So apologies for that! I’ll be more active again down the road when the time is there.

  43. hemmerlady says:

    …and Penner FTW!

    Total bulllllllshit with the non-call for Dustin Brown’s knee on knee…not cool. Officiating was a little sketchy.

    I had a feeling I’d be wrong again, about this series I mean. LA’s looking good in the final. Should be a pretty good one either way (NJD/NYR). I’ll probably cheer for LA (Go 8th seed go). I’m not liking the Dustin Brown show though. Goon. I mean, he’s the captain, he can’t do that shit.

  44. hemmerlady says:

    chucker:
    Once again reminding the world what shit stained douchebag he is:http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Update+Pocklington+auction+Edmonton+Oilers+Stanley+rings/6661442/story.html

    I hope that these do not fall into the wrong hands. Although, how much worse can the wrong hands be if they’re in Pocklington’s to begin with.

  45. Racki says:

    Are they real rings this time?

  46. LateNightOilFan says:

    So the Tro-lo-lo guy (RIP Eduard Khil) passed away:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/04/trololo-singer-dead-at-77_n_1566937.html

    As soon as I read that I thought of Louuu…hopefully Racki and a few others know what I am referring to. Hopefully Mr. Khil’s family doesn’t.

  47. Racki says:

    haha yes, I definitely remember that. Here is a reminder:

  48. G&S says:

    How about former Conn Smythe winning netminder Bill Ranford mentoring the current Conn Smythe winner, Jonathan Quick all the way to a sensational season (playoffs & reg season)? Quick was the only reason LA found themselves in the playoffs as the Kings were the 2nd lowest scoring team in the regular season. Once in the post season he was not pulled once and posted a 1.41GAA with a 16-4 record. I don’t think I’ve seen a more dominant Oct-June, full season performance in my life. I am sure that Ranford felt like a proud papa yesterday!

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