Oilers re-sign Gagner for 1 year at $3.2M

By , July 20, 2012 7:57 am

Just like the title says… Oilers avoid arbitration by signing Sam Gagner to a one year deal worth $3.2M. What are your thoughts on the contract?

22 Responses to “Oilers re-sign Gagner for 1 year at $3.2M”

  1. Racki says:

    I like the salary amount.. think it is fair enough value. However, I wish they signed him for longer. But, it gives him some added motivation this year.

  2. Metal&Oil says:

    Racki:
    I like the salary amount.. think it is fair enough value. However, I wish they signed him for longer. But, it gives him some added motivation this year.

    I will echo those statements. If he breaks out it this year it will cost us more in the long run.

  3. Racki says:

    yah really.. if it were possible to get him for $4-4.5M long term, that might have been worth it.. cause if he breaks out finally, that price will go way up and we probably can’t afford it. Ahh well.. really, it’s risky either way.

  4. chucker says:

    What was the point of that? This is what he would have got in arbitration. At least sign him for three years. What a waste of time.

  5. chucker says:

    Watch him go out and get 60 points this year ….

  6. mrgod2u says:

    chucker:
    Watch him go out and get 60 points this year ….

    I am ok with that…

  7. chucker says:

    mrgod2u: I am ok with that…

    Me too, but it would have been nice to get him locked up for a while. Show me first I guess.

  8. oilinblood says:

    good deal. He doesnt deserve much right now, he simply does not have top 6 numbers in my opinion. It gets an asset that is 22 into a reasonable contract and into the next CBA. Go out and earn more.

    I think more and more that we will not be watching hockey until maybe christmas. The PA still hasnt presented a counter. This is why Bettman is saying stuff, and has been saying stuff all season and summer, like “this has been dragged on too long and there is a mountain of work to do. i am cautiously optimistic that we wont have a lock-out.”
    yet Fehr who has avoided the invites to begin discussions since January, and only recently started the talks and has tabled no proposals… says that basically there is no reason why they cant get a deal done by Sept 15 and if they cant it will be the leagues fault.

    Man i miss Paul Kelly. Talk about a proactive and receptive counterpart. Things were optimistic back then and things looked, for a brief moment in time, like a productive partnership where rights were protected and communication was of priority.

  9. mrgod2u says:

    oilinblood:
    good deal. He doesnt deserve much right now, he simply does not have top 6 numbers in my opinion. It gets an asset that is 22 into a reasonable contract and into the next CBA. Go out and earn more.

    I think more and more that we will not be watching hockey until maybe christmas. The PA still hasnt presented a counter. This is why Bettman is saying stuff, and has been saying stuff all season and summer, like “this has been dragged on too long and there is a mountain of work to do. i am cautiously optimistic that we wont have a lock-out.”
    yet Fehr who has avoided the invites to begin discussions since January, and only recently started the talks and has tabled no proposals… says that basically there is no reason why they cant get a deal done by Sept 15 and if they cant it will be the leagues fault.

    Man i miss Paul Kelly. Talk about a proactive and receptive counterpart. Things were optimistic back then and things looked, for a brief moment in time, like a productive partnership where rights were protected and communication was of priority.

    I think that a deal will be in place for start of season. IMHO all the “lots of work left blah blah blah” is just bluster.

    The league cannot afford to have no hockey for even 3 months. Not with several teams circling the bowl. A lockout would kill 3-4 teams, straight up, and the league can’t survive that. So these opening salvoes are just outer boundaries, but the middleground will be found quickly.

  10. Alan-NottsUK says:

    I like the deal, it had to be either 1 year or 3+

    oilinblood:
    good deal. He doesnt deserve much right now, he simply does not have top 6 numbers in my opinion. It gets an asset that is 22 into a reasonable contract and into the next CBA. Go out and earn more.

    2008 – 49 pts, 42nd in scoring for centers (top 6 numbers)
    2009 – 41 pts, 63rd in scoring for centers (1 point out of top 60)
    2010 – 41 pts, 53rd in scoring for centers (top 6 numbers)
    2011 – 42 pts, 50th in scoring for centers (top 6 numbers)
    2012 – 49 pts, 39th in scoring for centers (top 6 numbers)

    now consider this past season he played on every line and in every forward position, after suffering an injury in pre-season and so missing out on that and coming into the season out of gameshape.

    He has top 6 numbers every year but his sophomore one. I think too many people have expectations that are crazy high for a 2C, they expect 60+ points when that would be good for top 20 in points from Centers.

    I would have loved to have seen a 3/4 year deal at around 3.5m per.

  11. Racki says:

    I personally think Gagner will get there. 22 is not even close to old. Most players don’t even break into the NHL at that age. So we have to continue to be patient. If he can get 50-60 pts per year, I’d be pretty happy.

  12. gr8one says:

    If Gagner stays healthy and is an Oiler for the duration of the season I predict he will hit 70 points.

    Bank it.

  13. chucker says:

    gr8one:
    If Gagner stays healthy and is an Oiler for the duration of the season I predict he will hit 70 points.

    Bank it.

    That is a big jump but yeah, look at who he has on his wings now. Also on the PP. honestly, if he doesn’t hit 55+, I will be a bit disappointed.

  14. Metal&Oil says:

    chucker: That is a big jump but yeah, look at who he has on his wings now. Also on the PP. honestly, if he doesn’t hit 55+, I will be a bit disappointed.

    Whatever 8 x 82 is, that’s my expectation for gags ;)

  15. Alan-NottsUK says:

    Just to put the predictions people are making into perspective.

    based on last year:

    70 points would put him top 10 for center scoring. and 21st for the entire league

    55 points puts him top 25 amoung centers and top 70 for all players.

    if he scores on average 50-60 points per year as a second line C i’d be extactic.

    Now if the rumours about the league wanting to reduce the clutching and grabbing that has started sneaking back into the game, then their will be more PP opportunities and so league wide you should see scoring increase, but at the current levels i’d be more than happy with him hitting between 45-55 every year.

    But if more penalties are called next season then I think Hopkins & Eberle will be the first 100pt players the Oilers have seen in a while

  16. chucker says:

    Alan-NottsUK:
    Just to put the predictions people are making into perspective.

    based on last year:

    70 points would put him top 10 for center scoring. and 21st for the entire league

    55 points puts him top 25 amoung centers and top 70 for all players.

    if he scores on average 50-60 points per year as a second line C i’d be extactic.

    Now if the rumours about the league wanting to reduce the clutching and grabbing that has started sneaking back into the game, then their will be more PP opportunities and so league wide you should see scoring increase, but at the current levels i’d be more than happy with him hitting between 45-55 every year.

    But if more penalties are called next season then I think Hopkins & Eberle will be the first 100pt players the Oilers have seen in a while

    Really, to me, this just illustrates how far down hockey has fallen. Ten years ago a guy with an average of 40 points was called Marty Reasoner. Now he is a top six player. Sorry but it really disgusts me that a scrub like Gagner gets 3.2. (historic scrub). Guys who get 35 goals get 100 million dollar contracts. I truly hate what hockey has become on the business standpoint. 30 teams is to many and the talent level has dropped enormously. A guy like Gagner would have been an AHL player in the good days of the 21 team league.

    Having seen many of the greatest players of the last few generations, I am jaded, but I don’t recall a guy like Dave Lumley being considered anything other than another guy every team had four of. 70 points used to be a secondary scoring player. Now that seems like some magical marker that is awesome. It isn’t. We are participants in the worst talent pool I have seen since I have been alive. All, caused by expansion and false elevation of what used to be mediocrity, and in many cases, just crap.

    What do I know? Just a fan who pays attention. Gagner is nothing special. He just seems like he might be, but even then, he is just better than some of the crap that is floating around this league.

  17. Metal&Oil says:

    chucker: Really, to me, this just illustrates how far down hockey has fallen. Ten years ago a guy with an average of 40 points was called Marty Reasoner. Now he is a top six player. Sorry but it really disgusts me that a scrub like Gagner gets 3.2. (historic scrub). Guys who get 35 goals get 100 million dollar contracts. I truly hate what hockey has become on the business standpoint. 30 teams is to many and the talent level has dropped enormously. A guy like Gagner would have been an AHL player in the good days of the 21 team league.

    Having seen many of the greatest players of the last few generations, I am jaded, but I don’t recall a guy like Dave Lumley being considered anything other than another guy every team had four of. 70 points used to be a secondary scoring player. Now that seems like some magical marker that is awesome. It isn’t. We are participants in the worst talent pool I have seen since I have been alive.All, caused by expansion and false elevation of what used to be mediocrity, and in many cases, just crap.

    What do I know?Just a fan who pays attention. Gagner is nothing special. He just seems like he might be, but even then, he is just better than some of the crap that is floating around this league.

    Yeah but you have to look at it from another prospective too. If Gagner was playing in the days before Jacques Lemaire with no traps & scrawny netminders he would have had a lot more then 40-50 pts in a season. Gags is an NHL player now and would have been one then as well.

  18. chucker says:

    Metal&Oil: Yeah but you have to look at it from another prospective too. If Gagner was playing in the days before Jacques Lemaire with no traps & scrawny netmindershe would have had a lot more then 40-50 pts in a season. Gags is an NHL player now and would have been one then as well.

    Can’t you just let an old codger have his moment? :P Yes, this argument holds water for sure. He is an NHL player, I am just not enamoured with him any more than I was Craig Janney or Mike Ridley etc. coming into the shite situation he did, Gagner has done well. I like that he has done well but I also find myself cursing him most of the year for broken plays and his complete lack of anything physical. Just not my kind of player.

  19. oilinblood says:

    oh boy does that make me ever want to bring up the whole equipment debate again.

    jeeze. thats a debate that isnt even a debate…. but nhl will never go back. plain stupid. want goals? old equipment. reduce injuries? old equipment. with better materials they should never have gotten bigger. rediculous.

    on topic i will say this about sam. i never doubt this guy wants to be an oiler i just am leery we give a good guy too big of a contract when someone cheaper can come in and do the same or better. -horcoff.
    guys shouldnt just get millions because they are good guys. i also dont like huge terms so i like the 1 year. i honestly dont think the owners intend to push for the 10 year ufa , i think its fine at 7 but they will use it as a concession they can drop. (not exactly good faith bargaining, but i was always taught that first offers are always bluffs until both hands are seen and momentum builds on getting the job done.). if he gets a two year it is bad timing for the oil UFA wise. if sam does really good this year than 4 years is a good deal imo. 4 years max. i hate contraacts over 5 and those should be for the top guys that cost 5 players in trade to acquire…or a full losing seaon and lottery pick.

    5 year ELCs are rediculous.
    personally i think we look like assholes not signing Nail yet. we look like cheap schmucks. or have we signed him and i missed it.

  20. Alan-NottsUK says:

    chucker: Really, to me, this just illustrates how far down hockey has fallen. Ten years ago a guy with an average of 40 points was called Marty Reasoner. Now he is a top six player. Sorry but it really disgusts me that a scrub like Gagner gets 3.2. (historic scrub). Guys who get 35 goals get 100 million dollar contracts. I truly hate what hockey has become on the business standpoint. 30 teams is to many and the talent level has dropped enormously. A guy like Gagner would have been an AHL player in the good days of the 21 team league.

    Having seen many of the greatest players of the last few generations, I am jaded, but I don’t recall a guy like Dave Lumley being considered anything other than another guy every team had four of. 70 points used to be a secondary scoring player. Now that seems like some magical marker that is awesome. It isn’t. We are participants in the worst talent pool I have seen since I have been alive.All, caused by expansion and false elevation of what used to be mediocrity, and in many cases, just crap.

    What do I know?Just a fan who pays attention. Gagner is nothing special. He just seems like he might be, but even then, he is just better than some of the crap that is floating around this league.

    Devils advocate time.

    80′s high scoring hockey, not much in terms of defensive stratagy. (relative to later years)
    90′s butterfly goalies, with better lighter pads lowers scoring.
    mid 90s trap system used by the devils becomes more popular.
    late 90-lockout clutch and grab/dead puck
    first season after the lockout scoring increased, but has been on the way back down every year since.
    Also it seems everyone now has to be a 2 way player. So there is an even larger commitment on D.

    It could easily be argued that you’re seeing the best standard of hockey ever. Especially on the defensive side of the puck.

    Personally I want Hard capped pads gone, and smaller goalie pads. Less injuries & more scoring.

  21. Metal&Oil says:

    Just to put Gags contribution in his 5 years into perspective I found this piece of information from Lowetides “RE 12-13 Sam Gagner “pretty interesting:

    in the last 5 seasons, Edmonton has had 9 seasons of 40 or more points by a centerman. Sam Gagner owns 5, Shawn Horcoff 2 and then Cogliano and the Nuge had 1 each.

  22. chucker says:

    Metal&Oil:
    Just to put Gags contribution in his 5 years into perspective I found this piece of information from Lowetides “RE 12-13 Sam Gagner “pretty interesting:

    The flip side of that is that he is an average centre on a bad team.

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