Taylor Hall to undergo shoulder surgery.. out next 5-6 months.

By , March 27, 2012 12:10 pm

Taylor Hall will undergo shoulder surgery

Taylor Hall will undergo shoulder surgery


Rather than swipe the quick news that Bruce McCurdy provided on this, I’ll just direct you to the Cult of Hockey article.

20 Responses to “Taylor Hall to undergo shoulder surgery.. out next 5-6 months.”

  1. Racki says:

    This KIND of sucks… but if he’s been playing this well with a bum shoulder, I wonder how well he’ll do with a robotic one. I just hope he doesn’t run into loads of problems, a la Hemsky. However, Hemsky did have different problems there.. both shoulders had their issues. To be honest, I am not sure how much of Hemsky’s shoulder woes were recurring. I dont think he had any shoulder issues since having surgery on the left shoulder…. but I believe his right one hasn’t been 100% for all year (from what he’s said in interviews).

  2. Racki says:

    In other, more freaking awesome news, Taylor Fedun is now practicing with the contact jersey on. That is great news!

  3. G&S says:

    Sucks about Hall but really awesome about Fedun. I watched the Video on his recovery on the Oilers site and It is pretty impressive how far along he has come. This is a guy that everyone can really get behind, me especially since I’ve got him waiting on my Keeper team. It would be great if that pickup carried some reward for me at some point.

  4. chucker says:

    Yeah he definitely f’d it up on that Quincey hit. Hopefully all goes well. He needs to be more aware of guys targeting him for the big hit.

    Awesome news on Fedun.

    This sucks. I was looking forward to seeing him at he worlds.

  5. oilinblood says:

    youd wish it would be a break. breaks get stronger upon healing. shoulders are mostly muscle and tendon issues = suck. hopefully he doesnt sulk and whine like hemmer.

    I think Taylors concussion looked severe so i am happy they are taking care of another issue and giving him full time to recover.

  6. hemmerlady says:

    oilinblood:
    youd wish it would be a break. breaks get stronger upon healing. shoulders are mostly muscle and tendon issues = suck. hopefully he doesnt sulk and whine like hemmer.

    I’m interested to know what exactly you characterize as “sulking and whining”. Can you show me a quote by Hemsky that exemplifies what you think is whiny? If anything, I would say that Hemsky was positive, not quite to the point of covering up the extent of the injury but in that direction, at least this year.

    Normally I let the (constant and sometimes unwarranted) hemmer insults go, because I know you’re steaming mad about his play this year, but this characterization just seems inaccurate to me. I wouldn’t deny that he seems nonchalant, blasé and appears to lack fire or passion sometimes, but I’ve never found him whiny. O’Sullivan sulked. Good ol’ O’Sulky. Souray sulked. Hemmer just doesn’t look like he cares sometimes, and we may be wrong about that.

  7. zackman35 says:

    Looks like OIB poked the bear and grinded HL’s gears! :razz:

    I can see how Hemmer’s attitude can sometimes be seen as misleading but I can’t really remember him sinking to the point of sulking.

    As for Hall, ouch that sucks. You have to wonder, if the injury has aggravated him since junior, what’s he been doing playing for the Oilers the last (almost) 2 seasons? I love Halls drive, with or without injuries I don’t think anything is going to change in his game. Great news with Fedun too!

  8. Racki says:

    I won’t go too much into Hemsky. People have their opinions there. I will say that he seems to give less of a shit when talking to the media, and I don’t blame him. It’s the same stuff with a lot of them, and there are a whole lot more psychologists in this city than I ever was aware of.

    As for Hall, this is a guy you shouldn’t even question. He’s got incredible character. I can see him being real annoyed.. but sulking? Not likely. Shouldn’t have to worry about that.

    And at Zack: I think Hall’s probably been hiding the injury from everyone. Seems like he’d just do what he could to play.

  9. dawgtoy says:

    And now for something completely … expected!
    http://thestar.blogs.com/thespin/2012/03/taylor-less-than-tyler.html
    Have a look at the comment section below the article as well.

  10. Racki says:

    My initial reaction was anger/annoyance, to say the least. But I replied to the post. I don’t think he’s too far off on what he’s saying. The subject line sure sounds like he’s spoken his opinion on the subject, but the rest of the post seems to leave that pretty open. I think this debate will rage on for a while. And he’s right.. Hall getting hurt this often hasn’t helped him win the debate. But I honestly do think that next year Hall’s shoulder will be 110%, and it’ll make him an even better player than he’s been so far.

    I do also think Seguin is a good player, but I know from watching Hall every game that he IS a superstar. It will be tragic if these injuries keep occurring. But he’s a young kid, and as such he’ll heal quicker than the old-timers. He’s run into these injuries because of his style of play. It’s a bit of “live by the sword, die by the sword”. He probably won’t change his game much, if at all. But it would be wise to keep his head up more. I have seen him get a bit smarter at that already. He still gets clocked more than I want him to though.

    Anyways, I think we are very lucky to have Hall. Like I said, the only wrong choice between Taylor and Tyler was taking neither, like the Laffs did.

  11. Racki says:

    I have to ask too, BTW, why Jeff Skinner is apparently “arguably a better player out of the ’10 draft class”. Hall’s numbers this year were a fair bit better in the same number of games. Seguin had the clear better year LAST year though, yes. But that’s one year, and in the most current year, Hall is putting up better numbers than Skinner, and scored points at a better pace than Seguin.

    At any rate, despite what the Easterners would like us to believe, I’m happy we took Hall. Skinner and Seguin will likely be great players in their own right too.

  12. zackman35 says:

    We have numbers but I still think its too early to compare Tyler vs. Taylor. Arguments on both sides can be made, Hall has more opportunity (TOI/PP) to succeed where as Seguin plays for a much better team. What separates these two are their styles of play and although Hall has his injuries, albeit some may have been more of freak accidents, I still love what he brings to the build of this team. Seguin is looking like he’s going to be a hell of a player but if Hall ends up being a Messier lite, well enough said.

    No matter how good these players turn out, I can assure you one thing, Burke’s way of rushing a team to success is a prime example of a fuck up and even though he won’t admit it any time soon I’m sure he’s regretting the baby face Kessel trade.

  13. Racki says:

    Yah I agree totally, Zack. Although Kessel has been putting up good numbers for the Laffs so far. I actually really liked Phil Kessel early on, before he was an NHLer. I think he’s pretty diminutive, so I’m surprised he’s been able to handle the pressure in the heart of hockey. But the Leafs lost a lot for their attempt at winning now.

    I really don’t know if there will ever be an answer to the whole Taylor vs. Tyler.. vs Jeff.. vs. anyone else. All I know is we’re very lucky to have Hall, and I’m happy that’s who we drafted. He’s a big part of our team and one of few reasons hockey was not just “tolerable” to watch the past two years, but exciting for a lot of it. I don’t think even Eberle works as hard as Hall does night-in and night-out, and we all know Eberle works his butt off too.

  14. hemmerlady says:

    Racki – I thought your reply to the article was spot-on, well said. That article annoyed me. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, but I don’t think “he hasn’t been healthy” is a valid barometer of a player’s ability or talent. Your comment about the robotic arm said it all.

    Moreover, I think Hallsy was the right choice for OUR team not just due to his point contributions, but because of the grit, determination and passion he has shown on the ice as well as in the dressing room [though I'm not in there, despite my desires to the contrary :) ].

  15. oilinblood says:

    As for Hall ever sulking – not likely. I believe it was Renney himself who talked about Hemsky sulking in November in an off day discussion video segment on the oilers network. He talked about it well after i had brought it up on the road trip where he returned to be a -4 in boston and on 3 of the goals it was his man being a big part of the goal. the interview was a few weeks later when it was clear RNH at 160 lbs was the man on the pp and the go to talent for offense. Renney discussed that Hemsky had to do a gut check and a major look in the mirror. “Suck it up” is something he said a dozen times.
    I have been hoping that hemsky would be the player everyone has talked about for years but after seeing eberle and rnh just put it together like its “no thang but a chicken wing”… i had a revelation of what real talent is. eberle is even better than hemsky defensively (rnh is light years ahead of both…despite being a centre which involves more learning).
    as for seguin versus hall… first i hate watching carolina so i dont pay enough attenion to skinner to have an educated opinion -same with anaheim thus i stay out of Ryan talk as well. Seguin was brought along slowly and is – to me- as equal a player to taylor as the pre-draft debate made him out to be. i will say i was passionately in the seguin camp until 2 days before the draft when they showed the interviews from Oil Change when Hall said “i hope they draft me, thats the team i want to play on”. That statement combined with the series hall versus seguin (with the understanding that seguin was on a terrible team versus halls all star team) made me go 51-49 for hall and im not gonna look back because i would have drafted hall after that too. To me they are both elite talents but Seguin has that Eberle part of his game where he is a highlight machine. Hall i find more of a talented ryan smyth. Anyone who had seen Smyth as a younger player in the weight era can maybe see my connection (fantastic first full season).
    I dont see why there is a debate really. The oilers tried to get both. there were rumors it was hemsky and our 2011 1st, other rumors say 2011 1st plus hemmer AND eberle. Eberle is an absolute non starter and 2011 turned into the phenom RNH…who has blown my fn mind. Even Boston admitted we hassled them alot and tried alot to get that 2nd pick. I will also admit that RNH i just didnt buy as an NHL player for atleast 2 years and i was very high on larsson. We got RNH and Klefbom. ….
    As a side note, I have been following Klefbom like a dog this year, mostly due to the fact we lost out on larsson. Klefbom has made HUGE improvements to prepare for the smaller ice. His game has come around stunningly. I am very happy with our 2011 draft (Musil as well). Larsson has been a good pick in my opinion, but the combo of Klefbom and RNH will prove to be a great draft.
    The future is pretty bright here IMHO.
    If Tambi has done good things its the new farm system and the strength of the scouting, in combination with giving the scouts ownership of the draft.

  16. LateNightOilFan says:

    I’ve been a bit out of touch lately, really busy at work with 60-70 hour weeks, and my work browser doesn’t like this site for some reason, but I was somewhat disappointed when I heard about Hall’s surgery in that – Shouldn’t this have been done sooner???

    I mean really, it’s bothered him for a while, he injures it in Nov and the doc’s determine it’s ok to carry on and let him play through the pain. Ok, but at some point when you know the season is a lost cause, which was a while ago, shouldn’t you say, ok Hall go get the surgery and take your time rehabbing and you’ll definitely be ready for the start of next season when we’re really going to kick butt. :) But no, let’s wait and hope now that you will be ready for next season. Hindsight is everything but I think this decision by the Oilers who knew he was playing hurt should have been made at least at the all-star break, would have also avoided the concussion at least, although not the head wound.

    Hope he will be ok and the shoulder will be good as new, but this really bugged me that they waited this long.

  17. Racki says:

    LNOF: One of the media types addressed it already (maybe Matheson??). The doctor’s didn’t feel there was any risk in him making it worse by playing, and if all things go as they should (i.e. he heals at even the slightly slower end of the scale), he should be ready by September some time. But yes, there is no guarantee in that. I have no problems with what they decided. It’s interesting that you say “would have also avoided the concussion at least”. Yes, not playing would likely avoid injury. Does that really make too much sense? Let’s skip playing him next year too, just in case he hurts his back. Sorry to put it that way, but really, we can’t protect him for everything and wrap him in bubble wrap.

    How many of us would say he looked like he played with a shoulder injury for most of the year? I was actually surprised at that. He was our best player almost every night (or at least one of the 3 best players). There’s also really no signs that he injured the shoulder any worse by playing through it. I think you’ve got two risks here too. You play the guy, and yah, he could injure things worse (but the medical staff – as little as we trust them – did say the risk there was minimal or low to do more damage), or you don’t play him at all and he doesn’t continue on the development path for that year. I am happy with the choice.

  18. Racki says:

    OIB: Renney’s comments were in regards to a contradiction between Renney and Hemsky on Hemsky’s readiness from injury. Hemsky stated he wasn’t ready to go fully, had some pain and uneasiness. Said he was tentative. Renney contradicted that saying the docs said he should be fine now, and thus was born Renney’s comments basically telling Hemsky to suck it up and play through the pain.

    I can’t say I 100% disagree with that. But the track record of our medical staff (even the new guys) hasn’t been the best either (and as LNOF noted, they’re already under suspicion again with Hall, although I have no problems with that choice).

    Really, I think I do agree that sometimes Hemsky doesn’t seem into it enough, but I think a lot of it is blown out of proportion too.

    As for the trade attempts with Boston… I’m actually kind of happy that fell through. Seguin would be nice though. But that would be Nuge + Hemsky for Seguin. I think Nuge will be a better player than Hall or Seguin in the end. Several scouts also felt too that if Nuge was eligible in the 2010 draft, he’d have gone first. But they often say that stuff just like every good d-man is the next Lidstrom/Pronger.

  19. zackman35 says:

    I was thinking the other day.. What happened if we reversed the #1 and #2 picks and ended up with Seguin and Landeskog. Interesting thought and that’s about it. I admit, I was not on either the Hall or the Nuge train going into the drafts but looking back I’d have it no other way now. I’m still really “young” when it comes to the game and every year and particularly these last few drafts have taught me some immense lessons in athlete profiling.

    With that being said, I have one more paper for the semester to finish tonight and after that I should be able to start on my draft mini series for the next part of the rebuild series.

    More on topic now, RNH is going to be a special player, last time I did the math I think he projected just over 70pts with 30G if he played the entire season. I still find it hard to believe how hard we lucked out drafting Ebs and I have a feeling the Hall has the potential to put up Messier-lite #s at his ceiling.

  20. LateNightOilFan says:

    Racki:
    LNOF: One of the media types addressed it already (maybe Matheson??). The doctor’s didn’t feel there was any risk in him making it worse by playing, and if all things go as they should (i.e. he heals at even the slightly slower end of the scale), he should be ready by September some time. But yes, there is no guarantee in that. I have no problems with what they decided. It’s interesting that you say “would have also avoided the concussion at least”. Yes, not playing would likely avoid injury. Does that really make too much sense? Let’s skip playing him next year too, just in case he hurts his back. Sorry to put it that way, but really, we can’t protect him for everything and wrap him in bubble wrap.

    How many of us would say he looked like he played with a shoulder injury for most of the year? I was actually surprised at that. He was our best player almost every night (or at least one of the 3 best players). There’s also really no signs that he injured the shoulder any worse by playing through it. I think you’ve got two risks here too. You play the guy, and yah, he could injure things worse (but the medical staff – as little as we trust them – did say the risk there was minimal or low to do more damage), or you don’t play him at all and he doesn’t continue on the development path for that year. I am happy with the choice.

    Fair enough Racki, and as I said I’m not around as much as I would like, although I did read that as well, that the staff felt it wouldn’t be made worse by playing.

    My line of thought is this: They knew he would need surgery. They know the rehab will take 5-6 months. They knew he was playing well but with pain, so he was still developing on track. They knew at a certain point, let’s say the All Star break, that the season was lost. So why not shut him down at that point (end Jan) to give him a buffer period at the back end of the rehab and perhaps get some normal summer training in before training camp to help with his readiness for the season and his development as well. There are a lot of players who have shoulder surgery who after they rehab it still takes them a while to get their game back, so the more time they have the better. There is a larger risk now that he will feel rushed and miss a portion of camp and perhaps take longer to get back to form. That won’t help his development much, in fact it could set him back.

    I just don’t see much of an advantage to waiting as opposed to not waiting. To me there’s more value in making sure he’s as ready as possible for next season when you’re already playing for next season.

    And just to clarify – I certainly didn’t mean to imply to be overly protective of him to the extreme as you cited in your example. Re the concussion comment, obviously it wouldn’t have happened if he had been shut down, and that’s hindsight, but it would be one less concussion in an important player’s career. I’m thinking more in terms of long term asset protection and hopefully he doesn’t turn into a player prone to concussion.

    Btw I like bubble wrap… :)

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