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		<title>By: LateNightOilFan</title>
		<link>http://puttingonthefoil.com/2011/09/break-it-down-goaltending-201112-edition/#comment-33225</link>
		<dc:creator>LateNightOilFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 21:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m just in wait and see mode right now with the goalies.  I remember at the end of the 07/08 season almost everyone insisted Roli was &quot;done&quot; and he started out 3rd on the totem pole for 08/09 and had a phenomenal bounce-back year and is still going strong.  It could happen with Khabi - but I&#039;m not so sure it will given his injury history and his overall history of bad years since the lockout (i.e. he&#039;s really only had 1 good season where he lived up to his expectations since he won the cup with Tampa).  

The fact of the matter is he is the Oilers &quot;albatross&quot; right now because he&#039;s on a 35+ contract and hard to trade so we are stuck with him for a while longer.  I think/hope Renney will go with the guy who deserves the starts based on his play, so at least it does seem to be a situation where Khabi is in a battle to prove his worth and not the assumed starter.  I think Dubnyk will end up with the bulk of the starts, and if Khabi can be a good little mentor and somewhat decent in a backup role, then so be it.

What will rot my socks will be continued references to Khabi as &#039;MVP&#039; and if he is trotted out there automatically when Dubnyk is outplaying him.  So far I haven&#039;t seen Tambi admitting any mistakes but if this year continues with Khabi playing sub-par then at some point I want Tambi to man up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just in wait and see mode right now with the goalies.  I remember at the end of the 07/08 season almost everyone insisted Roli was &#8220;done&#8221; and he started out 3rd on the totem pole for 08/09 and had a phenomenal bounce-back year and is still going strong.  It could happen with Khabi &#8211; but I&#8217;m not so sure it will given his injury history and his overall history of bad years since the lockout (i.e. he&#8217;s really only had 1 good season where he lived up to his expectations since he won the cup with Tampa).  </p>
<p>The fact of the matter is he is the Oilers &#8220;albatross&#8221; right now because he&#8217;s on a 35+ contract and hard to trade so we are stuck with him for a while longer.  I think/hope Renney will go with the guy who deserves the starts based on his play, so at least it does seem to be a situation where Khabi is in a battle to prove his worth and not the assumed starter.  I think Dubnyk will end up with the bulk of the starts, and if Khabi can be a good little mentor and somewhat decent in a backup role, then so be it.</p>
<p>What will rot my socks will be continued references to Khabi as &#8216;MVP&#8217; and if he is trotted out there automatically when Dubnyk is outplaying him.  So far I haven&#8217;t seen Tambi admitting any mistakes but if this year continues with Khabi playing sub-par then at some point I want Tambi to man up.</p>
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		<title>By: Racki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Racki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 21:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BTW, Khabi has had two seasons here and both could be described as pretty abysmal (although one was more injury plagued than anything... but he still wasn&#039;t good). So while I appreciate preaching patience with him more than I appreciate people jumping all over him and writing him off now, I can understand why fans have had enough. It&#039;s not like he hasn&#039;t had a fair shake here. 

But we&#039;ve seen others have great bounce-back years (Penner being a good example, same with Souray until the recent events). It can happen for Khabi. I just think he&#039;s on a short leash this year. It shouldn&#039;t be him getting the job until he&#039;s proved endlessly that he can&#039;t be a starter here. For me, he has to earn the starter role. Dubnyk outplayed him last season... I&#039;d give him the starter role by default. If he can&#039;t handle it, then Khabi gets more games. 

I like Khabi and think he&#039;s a good team-guy, but I don&#039;t see why he should be still considered our starter. At best for him, I think he has to battle it out with Doobie, 50/50. 

All that said though, I try to avoid certain terms when critiquing a player and try not to get too harsh about it. Especially when they&#039;re obviously players who care a lot about the team, but just are struggling bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, Khabi has had two seasons here and both could be described as pretty abysmal (although one was more injury plagued than anything&#8230; but he still wasn&#8217;t good). So while I appreciate preaching patience with him more than I appreciate people jumping all over him and writing him off now, I can understand why fans have had enough. It&#8217;s not like he hasn&#8217;t had a fair shake here. </p>
<p>But we&#8217;ve seen others have great bounce-back years (Penner being a good example, same with Souray until the recent events). It can happen for Khabi. I just think he&#8217;s on a short leash this year. It shouldn&#8217;t be him getting the job until he&#8217;s proved endlessly that he can&#8217;t be a starter here. For me, he has to earn the starter role. Dubnyk outplayed him last season&#8230; I&#8217;d give him the starter role by default. If he can&#8217;t handle it, then Khabi gets more games. </p>
<p>I like Khabi and think he&#8217;s a good team-guy, but I don&#8217;t see why he should be still considered our starter. At best for him, I think he has to battle it out with Doobie, 50/50. </p>
<p>All that said though, I try to avoid certain terms when critiquing a player and try not to get too harsh about it. Especially when they&#8217;re obviously players who care a lot about the team, but just are struggling bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Racki</title>
		<link>http://puttingonthefoil.com/2011/09/break-it-down-goaltending-201112-edition/#comment-33196</link>
		<dc:creator>Racki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your reasoning is not welcome here! :P Just like Khabi and Gagner! 

Seriously though, very true. I&#039;m not very optimistic that Khabi will be much of a goaltender this year, but I am giving him a chance... more than just one pre-season game. As for Gagner, I&#039;m way ahead of you on preaching patience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your reasoning is not welcome here! <img src='http://puttingonthefoil.com/wpfiles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  Just like Khabi and Gagner! </p>
<p>Seriously though, very true. I&#8217;m not very optimistic that Khabi will be much of a goaltender this year, but I am giving him a chance&#8230; more than just one pre-season game. As for Gagner, I&#8217;m way ahead of you on preaching patience.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Majestyk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr.Majestyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well first off let me say that Khabi sucked last season and there&#039;s no getting around that.  He said himself that last season was a disappointment.  Based on last years performance plus Dubie&#039;s performance i think that puts him on a short leash with the coaching staff.  All that being said i find it ridiclulous to give up hope on him rebounding based on half a preseason game.  I&#039;ve read so many &#039;Khabi is done&#039; threads and &#039;send him to the minors&#039; threads since last game and i think its too early to tell.

To Racki&#039;s point of the numbers don&#039;t matter as much as how he actually plays.  His SV% was abysmal last night but which of the goals that he allowed were so soft that he&#039;s done?

I&#039;m probably going to take heat for defending Khabibulin but i&#039;m trying not to be Bi-Poiler.  I mean we haven&#039;t even seen Gagner yet and people have him way down the depth chart because Lander has been so impressive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well first off let me say that Khabi sucked last season and there&#8217;s no getting around that.  He said himself that last season was a disappointment.  Based on last years performance plus Dubie&#8217;s performance i think that puts him on a short leash with the coaching staff.  All that being said i find it ridiclulous to give up hope on him rebounding based on half a preseason game.  I&#8217;ve read so many &#8216;Khabi is done&#8217; threads and &#8216;send him to the minors&#8217; threads since last game and i think its too early to tell.</p>
<p>To Racki&#8217;s point of the numbers don&#8217;t matter as much as how he actually plays.  His SV% was abysmal last night but which of the goals that he allowed were so soft that he&#8217;s done?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m probably going to take heat for defending Khabibulin but i&#8217;m trying not to be Bi-Poiler.  I mean we haven&#8217;t even seen Gagner yet and people have him way down the depth chart because Lander has been so impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: hemmerlady</title>
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		<dc:creator>hemmerlady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 00:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-33040&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-33040&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Racki&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
I think you can get by with a mediocre goaltender.. teams have done it… however to do so you absolutely need a strong defense, which we don’t have by any stretch of imagination. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes indeedy, would that we had some defense and the shitty goaltending might be mitigated somewhat. 
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I think Bunz has the potential to be that high end goaltender despite the number of goaltenders who went ahead of him in the 2010 draft (quite a few). He is the goaltender of our future, imho…. too bad the future for him is really quite far away.
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Almost wish I could push the fast-forward button to see him in developed form.
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And really, despite that I said we can get away with a mediocre goaltender, I don’t see why we didn’t really push for someone younger with potential. Like I said, we don’t have anywhere near the caliber of defense of teams like Nashville or Detroit even to play with average goaltenders and still have big success.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I want CuJo from 1997 back. Or Roli from 2006. Or if we&#039;re really wishing for stuff, Timmy T from 2011.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-33040" rel="nofollow">Racki</a></strong>:<br />
I think you can get by with a mediocre goaltender.. teams have done it… however to do so you absolutely need a strong defense, which we don’t have by any stretch of imagination. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yes indeedy, would that we had some defense and the shitty goaltending might be mitigated somewhat. </p>
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I think Bunz has the potential to be that high end goaltender despite the number of goaltenders who went ahead of him in the 2010 draft (quite a few). He is the goaltender of our future, imho…. too bad the future for him is really quite far away.
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<p>Almost wish I could push the fast-forward button to see him in developed form.</p>
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And really, despite that I said we can get away with a mediocre goaltender, I don’t see why we didn’t really push for someone younger with potential. Like I said, we don’t have anywhere near the caliber of defense of teams like Nashville or Detroit even to play with average goaltenders and still have big success.
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<p>I want CuJo from 1997 back. Or Roli from 2006. Or if we&#8217;re really wishing for stuff, Timmy T from 2011.</p>
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