Targetting New Jersey’s 4th overall pick…

By , June 15, 2011 9:31 am
4th overall pick up for grabs?

4th overall pick up for grabs?

The rumor in the Fourth Period is that the 4th overall pick that New Jersey holds in the 2011 NHL Entry Draft is indeed up for grabs. The thought of it being available isn’t a new one, and we’ve even talked about it a bit here before, but it’s always good to have confirmation. The article notes that the Devils do not have their 2nd round pick. Lou Lamoriello basically noted that he’s open to the idea, so I wouldn’t say he’s trying to get rid of it. However, any time you hear that a top 10 pick is available, you hope that Tambellini is making a phone call… immediately.

So, what are good options for trade bait for this #4 pick? Ales Hemsky? I’m going to have to say that I think our 2nd round pick (31st) plus our 19th pick (from Los Angeles), plus a roster player such as Andrew Cogliano could be enticing enough. However, I am not sure he meets a need. I see that they do need a top 4 defenseman, however. Well, we know the one guy whose name we like to toss around in trade suggestions. However, I think Tom Gilbert’s price tag is enough to scare them off. At any rate, while I have no problems moving Ales Hemsky at some point (due to his injury problems), I actually would prefer that they try and move the 19th and 31st picks and a lesser roster player instead, in this situation.

Feel free to suggest ideas in the comments as to what we could offer up. Or, let us know if you don’t think we should even be looking for another pick (in which case, I can verbally assault you later).

13 Responses to “Targetting New Jersey’s 4th overall pick…”

  1. John says:

    it all depends on if the Oilers deal for Jeff Carter from Philly. Neither Jersey or Philly are going to be interested in taking back significant salary so I doubt Edm has the peices to make both deals. #19 + #31 + Gagner + prospect for either deal. If you get #4, you take Larsson with the #1 pick, one of the centers with the #4 pick. If you get Carter, you take Hopkins 1st overall. Either way our troubles at center are addressed.

  2. Racki says:

    I would only trade the #19 + #31 and Gagner and prospect for Jeff Carter. I wouldn’t do it for #4 pick. I think that’s selling and risking way too much. But for Carter though, it would probably what it would take, and I would do it for the betterment of this team.

    For the #4 pick, I think we could potentially give next year’s first, this years 2nd, and a decent player (your Cogliano tier of forward / defense) possibly. It might take a bit more though.. that 2nd might have to become the 19th… but man, would it be nice to draft 1, 4, 19 while opening up some room for some players. Obviously since I mentioned trading those picks in both deals, I am looking at them as two separate possibilities… unrelated (i.e. we do one or the other, not both).

    I also think that if we moved 19, 31, Gagner and a prospect for Carter, we could afford to look at the free agents for a replacement for Hemsky (a post on which is coming in the near future)… who would be moved in the deal for #4. I do think that some combination of 19, 31, Gagner, Hemsky, and next year’s 1st round pick could land us both Jeff Carter and the #4 pick this year though, so I personally think we can do it. But this post above is really only about THIS deal only.. not considering other possibilities.

    I will say though that I have many doubts that Jeff Carter is available.

    Humoring it.. I’ll pull my favorite stunt and do up mock lines:

    Hall Carter Eberle
    Hartikainen/UFA Horcoff Jones
    Paajarvi Lander Omark

    Drafted this year… Adam Larsson… plus either Couturier, Huberdeau, or RNH.. or even Landeskog (since we now have a top center). Returns on this might not be immediate (aside from having a KICK ass top line), but I think in the long run it would be great.

  3. Racki says:

    Btw, always been a big supporter of Gagner, so thus why I don’t want to pawn him off just yet, unless we’re getting a real star like Carter back.

  4. chucker says:

    Yeah, to trade Gags, I would want a star player back in that package.

  5. gr8one says:

    Another plus with the NJD situation is they’re likely to be wanting to shed cap space to re-sign Parise as well as bolster their lineup with some other UFA signings to better utilize Kovy’s prime years…

    So if we were willing to take back a big contract like Elias’ we might actually have to give up less than we normally would for that pick…

    Elias as a role player here for the duration of his contract(2 more yrs/6m per) could be pretty awesome with all of the winning experience/rings he’d be bringing with him, he’d be ideal 3rd/4th line player at this point in his career that could move up in the lineup if need be. Bad contract of course, but we wont need that cap space this year or next anyways…

  6. oilinblood says:

    Wow. With Howson liking Hemsky… and Gags maybe fitting in on NJ… perhaps we can get 3 top 10 picks. :O without even giving up 19. But if we get 3 top picks id try to hold on to Gags and sacrifice those picks. When NJ is mentioned i think of a guy who might fit and work in a trap system. A small forward with no speed might be best in a good trap team. He certainly has the hands if the team slows the game down for him… Gomez.

    I like the thought of ditching next years 1st. I like the message. Howeveer i dont know if the teams want picks back and that pick has to be valued highly as a top 5. I dont see the same scenario as racki if our pick is in play. Its still a top pick from a team finishing last 2 years in a row. Maybe 1+2 next year straight up for 4th overall this year.

    NJ needs a cheap depth guy so maybe our 1st and cogs or fraser? I hate fraser but his issue is handling a speed game in my opinion. when tight checking games were faced he did better. meh. wishful thinking on both players.

    I bet Lou asks for Peckham straight up.
    I just thought of Smid.

  7. I think Ales Hemsky is just what NJ wants but I feel we should make it a bidding war somewhat, see who will give us the best over-all deal, Columbus or New Jersey.

  8. DropIt says:

    Need to realise that this is New Jersey, and their offensive ability isnt really a must address option right now.
    Their defense is on the downslide and getting old, fast. IF I was New Jersey and Edmonton was on the phone with me I would personally be asking for Ryan Whitney + 19.

  9. oilinblood says:

    DropIt: Need to realise that this is New Jersey, and their offensive ability isnt really a must address option right now.Their defense is on the downslide and getting old, fast. IF I was New Jersey and Edmonton was on the phone with me I would personally be asking for Ryan Whitney + 19.

    BAHA. A top 2 Dman NHL ready, good contract, proven, already one of the best in the league… for a pick. I dont think so. Not in this reality.

  10. DropIt says:

    oilinblood: BAHA. A top 2 Dman NHL ready, good contract, proven, already one of the best in the league… for a pick. I dont think so. Not in this reality.

    I think he is a very good defenseman. Best in the league is a stretch though. Either way, it would be overpayment for the Oilers, but New Jersey is in the position to ask for it. If they keep the pick, they can likely get someone who has the same long term potential as Whitney. Difference is that they are in a win-now build while Edmonton is rebuilding. As it stands right now, anyone on the trade block in Edmonton is not worth the 4th pick, and even less so as New Jersey doesnt need forwards. Its defense or nothing for the Devils IMO

  11. oilinblood says:

    gr8one: Another plus with the NJD situation is they’re likely to be wanting to shed cap space to re-sign Parise as well as bolster their lineup with some other UFA signings to better utilize Kovy’s prime years…So if we were willing to take back a big contract like Elias’ we might actually have to give up less than we normally would for that pick…Elias as a role player here for the duration of his contract(2 more yrs/6m per) could be pretty awesome with all of the winning experience/rings he’d be bringing with him, he’d be ideal 3rd/4th line player at this point in his career that could move up in the lineup if need be. Bad contract of course, but we wont need that cap space this year or next anyways…

    NTC, has said no to better situations.

  12. oilinblood says:

    DropIt: I think he is a very good defenseman. Best in the league is a stretch though. Either way, it would be overpayment for the Oilers, but New Jersey is in the position to ask for it. If they keep the pick, they can likely get someone who has the same long term potential as Whitney. Difference is that they are in a win-now build while Edmonton is rebuilding. As it stands right now, anyone on the trade block in Edmonton is not worth the 4th pick, and even less so as New Jersey doesnt need forwards. Its defense or nothing for the Devils IMO

    Then they can wait the 2- 4 years to develop their 4th pick…thats if he pans out at all

  13. DropIt says:

    oilinblood: Then they can wait the 2- 4 years to develop their 4th pick…thats if he pans out at all

    I don’t disagree with you that it would be an awful trade for the Oilers, but the question was posed as what would it take to get the #4 pick, and in my opinion there is only 1 player outside of Hall and Eberle who will get the pick.

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