A while back, I had a conversation with fellow blogger Bobby Scribe from lakingsnews.com. He was asking me for information on Dustin Penner a month before the trade to learn more about him, which I provided.
Once the trade happened, Bobby got back in touch with me to return the favor on Teubert. If any of you guys have any questions on Teubert, please forward them off to me (in the comments is fine, or e-mail contact at thiswebsite (or use the contact us form under the help menu). Anyways, here is the information he’s provided so far, and it unfortunately adds to the uneasy feeling many are having about this trade. I had initially started things off by asking if Teubert was just a victim of the numbers game in L.A. (as they have a lot of D-talent there… both in the system, and in the NHL). Here were his comments (and more from the rest of the NHL world):
Regarding the numbers game, absolutely. He fell down the depth chart for several reasons: 1. Other defensemen (Voynov, Muzzin and Martinez) elevated their game to another level. Martinez ultimately made the team as the number 6 guy 2. Colten struggled with the fundamentals of the game and didn’t bring the physical brand for which he was drafted and 3. His skating put him a step behind.
He is only 20 years old and defensemen take longer as we all know. If he can work on his skating and get better at the positional game, he could develop into a good defensive defenseman.
I am still surprised at the trade. I think Tambs should have gotten Muzzin (a big, strong defenseman who can skate and brings both D and O) + a 1st for Penner. Dustin is going into his prime. It was a bad trade for the Oilers and I want to see them succeed. They are so much fun to watch.
Here are some other bits of information on Teubert that are out there (most of this will be old news to you, as I posted almost all of this already in comments.. but in case you missed it..):
Jason Gregor and Ryan Rishaug interviewed his now former coach in Manchester (the Monarchs of the AHL). You can read up on that here, rather than me posting the whole thing here and stealing their thunder.
Rishaug posted a summary snippet on Twitter (former coach’s words): “Big, brave stand up guy, needs to make better decisions with puck at times, but moves well.”
Here’s some quotes I posted in the trade deadline thread already, that some may have missed:
Lombardi on Teubert: “He’s come a long way. He was arguably one of our most improved players down there (in the AHL)”
Teubert on his chances with the Oil “This is just great news. The Kings had a strong roster with a lot of depth. For me, to be going to the Oilers, and having an opportunity to be a part of that organization is exciting. But I’m not expecting to walk in and just get handed an opportunity. I have to earn what I get.”
Teubert on Eberle: “We always joked about retiring together”
More Lombardi on Teubert:
“[Teubert has] made a lot of progress, but he still has a lot to learn,” said Lombardi. “The whole thing about his physical game still has to be channelled in the right direction. You can’t play like the Flyers of the Seventies, so you have to channel that type of aggression. You can’t get away with just running around being physical.”
“I think we saw in the Kings rookie camp [tournament held in September 2009], I loved the fact that when you saw that guy run Hickey, he was in there,” said Lombardi. “Those are the type of things that, as that type of player, he’s got to do. But he’s got to pick his spots better.”
“Then, he’s got to get smarter with the puck,” added Lombardi. “Sometimes these guys try to add to their game too much, thinking they should be rushing pucks. Whoa. You were drafted to be that physical, make the first pass guy.”
“I think he had his ups and downs last year,” Lombardi noted. “The World Junior team wanted him because of that [toughness] element, just like why we drafted him. But he got a big wake-up call when we sent him to the [Ontario Reign of the] ECHL [late last year]. He wasn’t ready for [the AHL].
David Staples also already summarized the Oilogosphere’s opinion on the trade. It should be noted that this is the same Oilogosphere that was pissed off when Penner was signed to an offersheet in the first place. So take it with a grain of salt, I suppose.
Anyways, I’ll just reiterate my own thoughts on all of this. Right now, when I look at the deal, I can’t help but think that we got ripped off. I can’t help but think that Tambellini COULD have and SHOULD have asked for more. And I can’t help but think that Tambellini shouldn’t have made that deal, if Lombardi wasn’t willing to up the ante. As others have noted, there didn’t really seem to be any urgency to trade Penner. I don’t buy into ideas that he wanted out of here. One thing I can guarantee though… this hypocritical fan base would have chastized Tambellini if it did become known that Penner wanted out and he lost value because of it a year or so from now. But I won’t really go on about that.
It is what it is. Right now, I think this deal has the makings to turn out OK for us. As someone else noted, in the Pronger deal, we did get Jordan Eberle (and of course Ladislav Smid). That worked out pretty well. We might pick up another rock-solid NHLer with the Kings’ 1st rounder, not to mention the possibility of Colten Teubert turning out to be a punishing, shutdown d-man.
One thing I will make clear though for everyone is that this trade absolutely set the rebuild back. I think we all recognize this. Today, Scott Reynolds over at Copper N Blue also noted that Lowe mentioned that this year was year one of a 4 or 6 year process. That’s a scary thought. I am hoping that at least a couple of those years include us fumbling around in the playoffs. It might also not be a coincidence, the timing of this re-build and the new arena project, which has been noted by Lowetide. LT makes the bold comment: “The Oilers under owner Daryl Katz–and make no mistake this drawn out process is his vision–have decided that Edmonton fans will not see a contending team in Rexall Place.”
Speaking of LT, as I type this and was looking to link back to that article, I see he posted a new article on Colton Teubert yesterday, which you can find here.
So to conclude… give this whole thing time to sink in. By the time we really know how this deal turned out, we’re going to be closer to being in that new building, and closer to the end goal that Lowe, Katz and Tambellini had aimed for this team. Perhaps by then, this deal won’t even matter. But my hopes are that Teubert will one day become a solid piece of this team, and that draft pick will pan out into a fantastic player for us. Again, time will tell…
P.S. game day thread up here.