Cogliano…if he lights it up for a month will still only get you a 5th rounder. If he isnt scoring hes doing nothing for you. He doesnt do much scoring…so there you are.

Yes i am of the vision that you dont learn in the NHL. Lessons here are too expensive. With rookies there are always little changes they need to make to adapt…but you dont pay someone an nhl salary to reinvent the wheel. Reddox is the guy we need… but id leave him in OKC for the year. I have no doubt Renney wanted Reddox and to cut and waive Cogs. I could tell by his use of cogs thru the pre-season and earlier in camp. I was positive Cogs was gone but as Renney pointed out… higher ups were pullling the strings and making decisions, forcing his hand. Pisses me right off. Coach..not GM should decide who stays and who goes. Want a coach respected? let him say who stays.

chucker:
True. Stoll was an established NHLer with good skills who was having a terribe year after a concussion.Cogs has not yet attained the heights of pre-concussed Stoll, so your comments are fair.I was just kind of playing devil’s advocate there to see if I’m the only one who really thinks Cogs is the wrong player on the wrong team.I tend to agree he is a good player if he’s in the right situation, but it’s clear than he is not here.Also, you are correct in that he would likely have little trade value with his current numbers.Unfortunately, I don’t see a way for him to climb out of it given the players now ahead of him on the depth chart.
Stupid waiver rights…..

Yah, I agree with all of this. In addition to waivers, the CHL/NHL agreement… both can be hindrances to player development at times.

Racki: Chucker: Jarret Stoll was a completely different player though. Around the time things when fans were running him out of town, he was still a hell of a defensive player, top draw man and leading or at the top of the list in hits for our team too (plus a good shot blocker.. and I believe that the effort was always 100% each night too). Cogliano is nowhere near that, unfortunately. The one thing in common though is both were completely snake bitten for a while. I think Stoll was given a lot more opportunity in the beginning to get out of that funk though, at least initially.I think Cogliano could be a decent offensive player / sniper, but that’s not what he’s being used for here. You know how I really like Cogs and have defended some of our outcast players in the past. But I think in this case it might be a mutual parting.. something best for both sides. I think we could force him into a defensive role, and he might do that well… but we could also just bring in a guy who already knows what he’s doing in that regard. How different in size are Reddox and Cogliano, really? (Reddox is listed as 5’11 190lbs, Cogs as 5’10 188lbs to answer my own question) Reddox has way more jump too his game and might not be as terrible on the dot. Just an idea. I would hate to see an asset in Cogliano wasted though… really we won’t get face value for him unless he’s scoring again, and I don’t see him scoring again if he’s not playing better minutes (i.e. playing a more prominent offensive role). Catch 22, I guess.

True. Stoll was an established NHLer with good skills who was having a terribe year after a concussion. Cogs has not yet attained the heights of pre-concussed Stoll, so your comments are fair.

I was just kind of playing devil’s advocate there to see if I’m the only one who really thinks Cogs is the wrong player on the wrong team.

I tend to agree he is a good player if he’s in the right situation, but it’s clear than he is not here. Also, you are correct in that he would likely have little trade value with his current numbers. Unfortunately, I don’t see a way for him to climb out of it given the players now ahead of him on the depth chart.

Stupid waiver rights…..

I think Cogliano could be a decent offensive player / sniper, but that’s not what he’s being used for here. You know how I really like Cogs and have defended some of our outcast players in the past. But I think in this case it might be a mutual parting.. something best for both sides. I think we could force him into a defensive role, and he might do that well… but we could also just bring in a guy who already knows what he’s doing in that regard. How different in size are Reddox and Cogliano, really? (Reddox is listed as 5’11 190lbs, Cogs as 5’10 188lbs to answer my own question) Reddox has way more jump too his game and might not be as terrible on the dot. Just an idea. I would hate to see an asset in Cogliano wasted though… really we won’t get face value for him unless he’s scoring again, and I don’t see him scoring again if he’s not playing better minutes (i.e. playing a more prominent offensive role). Catch 22, I guess.

Racki: John: to me that’s the difference between the two right now.. Whitney is putting up assists. OIB: I don’t see the Oilers doing it… I’d love for it to happen though, and I think it would be good for development of our D to have a workhorse on D that can handle a shutdown role. But I don’t know if Tambellini is on the same page there. As for waiving Cogs.. I think if that’s what it’s come to, it’s a pretty sad situation because he was untouchable 2 years ago but could have gotten us a good player then.

Yeah, it is unfortunate. Looking back, I think everyone would agree that the right call would have been for him to not be brought into the NHL as quickly as he was. Same with Gagner. They both were clearly rushed and it’s, in my view, clearly had a major effect on their development.

EDIT: I just saw a post on HF that made me think a bit. Is it possible that Cogs is this year’s version of a poor performing Jarret Stoll? i.e. Should I be so quick to condemn the guy because he’s having a hellacious year and could he come back to be a better player? Not sure….