Gerber / Souray placed on waivers, more cuts announced, and my thoughts on final cuts

By , September 30, 2010 11:27 am

Sheldon Souray has been placed back on waivers, according to John Shannon. According to Shannon’s source: “Gerber will go after he clears, Souray can be assigned if he clears”. Translation: “Gerber will be assigned to Oklahoma City if Minnesota doesn’t want him. Souray will likely be recalled eventually, but we don’t want any of you GMs to know that yet, in case your stupid enough to claim him on regular waivers.”

Also the Oilers have assigned Taylor Chorney, Colin McDonald, Alex Plante and Jeff Petry to the Oklahoma City Barons.

That leaves the Oilers with the following:


FORWARDS (20)

# Name Height Weight Age
67 Gilbert Brule 5′ 11″ 186 23
13 Andrew Cogliano 5′ 10″ 188 23
14 Jordan Eberle 6′ 0″ 185 20
16 Colin Fraser 6′ 1″ 193 25
89 Sam Gagner 5′ 11″ 191 21
12 Alexandre Giroux 6′ 3″ 203 29
4 Taylor Hall 6′ 1″ 194 18
83 Ales Hemsky 6′ 0″ 184 27
10 Shawn Horcoff 6′ 1″ 208 32
22 Jean-Francois Jacques 6′ 3″ 231 25
28 Ryan Jones 6′ 0″ 205 26
33 Steve MacIntyre 6′ 5″ 250 30
42 Ryan O’Marra 6′ 2″ 220 23
23 Linus Omark 5′ 10″ 174 23
25 Ben Ondrus 5′ 11″ 208 28
91 Magnus Paajarvi 6′ 3″ 200 19
27 Dustin Penner 6′ 4″ 249 27
85 Liam Reddox 5′ 11″ 178 24
46 Zack Stortini 6′ 4″ 215 25
54 Chris Vande Velde 6′ 2″ 190 23


DEFENSE (9)

# Name Height Weight Age
45 Shawn Belle 6′ 1″ 235 25
26 Kurtis Foster 6′ 5″ 226 28
77 Tom Gilbert 6′ 3″ 206 27
49 Theo Peckham 6′ 2″ 234 22
37 Richard Petiot 6′ 3″ 215 28
5 Ladislav Smid 6′ 3″ 226 24
43 Jason Strudwick 6′ 4″ 226 35
2 James Vandermeer 6′ 1″ 214 30
6 Ryan Whitney 6′ 3″ 210 27


GOALTENDERS (3)

# Name Height Weight Age
38 Jeff Deslauriers 6′ 4″ 201 26
40 Devan Dubnyk 6′ 6″ 202 24
35 Nikolai Khabibulin 6′ 1″ 206 37



THOUGHTS ON FINAL CUTS

So assuming a roster built up of 14 forwards / 7 defense / 2 goaltenders, with some “guaranteed” names in the lineup, I’m going to say that this will be the situation on all spots:


Forwards

“Guarantees”: Brule, Cogliano, Gagner, Horcoff, Hemsky, Penner, Stortini
Very likely: Eberle, Fraser, Hall, Paajarvi
Bubble guys: Giroux, JFJ (IR), Jones, MacIntyre, O’Marra, Omark, Ondrus, Reddox, Vande Velde

My choice: “Very likely” guys all make it. Also Reddox, MacIntyre, JFJ make it (JFJ will likely be on IR when season starts). Giroux returns to farm to light it up. Jones likely claimed on waivers by another team. Rest are sent to OKC and clear waivers if necessary. Omark I only send down because he doesn’t have to clear waivers, and I think we should hang on to Big Mac for a bit during the beginnings of Hall’s career. And I want to see if Jacques still has it in him. Omark would be our first call up if a skilled player gets injured.
Likely to happen: What I’ve mentioned above. Renney has a tough decision between Reddox and Jones. Both are waiver elegible. Both will play a similar role for us. Both play a pretty high energy game. Neither is likely to put up numbers. Reddox probably has a bit of an edge with his PKing ability and that he gives 150% every night.


Defense

“Guarantees”: Foster, Gilbert, Smid, Whitney
Very likely: Vandermeer
Bubble guys: Belle, Peckham, Petiot, Strudwick
Note: (2 players likely need to be assigned to OKC or traded, all our defense left are waiver eligible)

My choice: Belle, Peckham, Petiot make it. I’m a bit on the fence on Vandermeer. I’m not all convinced he’s a good defenseman. If he makes the team, it’s because of his toughness, and it gets tough for me on the guy that goes (they all need to clear waivers). Petiot is too soon to tell if he’s legit or not (he’s played 2 games….), the same can be said for Belle. We may be best off waiving one of those guys though over Vandermeer.
Likely to happen: The organization’s love affair with Strudwick continues. New hire Vandeermeer also stays. That forces them to choose between homegrown tough-as-nails prospect Theo Peckham, Shawn Belle and Richard Petiot. And I’d have to think Peckham wins here since the others have struggled to find homes.


Goaltending

“Guarantees”: Khabibulin
Bubble guys: Deslauriers, Dubnyk

My choice: Dubnyk. Both of our goalies are rough around the edges, but Dubnyk seems more polished of a goaltender. On a much smaller scale, Deslauriers is the flashy inconsistent Garon and Dubnyk is our “get the job done” Roloson.
Likely to happen: Ryan Rishaug of TSN and Jason Gregor of the TEAM 1260 seem to figure that the decision has already been made. If that is the case, I suspect that after the Gerber verdict (will Minny or someone else take him on waivers?), the Oilers will send Deslauriers down.

38 Responses to “Gerber / Souray placed on waivers, more cuts announced, and my thoughts on final cuts”

  1. mrgod2u says:

    Gerber and Souray Waived, as per TSN breaking news

  2. chucker says:

    Well, not surpising. Gerber clears waivers and lets them look longer at the other two for now. It’s just a matter of which one goes down at this point (JDD vs. DD).

    Souray really isn’t a surprise anymore. There are just no takers for now.

  3. Steve-O says:

    Chorney, McDonald, Plante and Petry all assigned to OKC

  4. Racki says:

    I guess no surprises, due to waiver status on the 4 names you mention going to OKC.

    Also, I expected Gerber to go to OKC eventually.. hopefully he clears. I think they are probably testing the waters on Minnesota, seeing if they bite on Gerber. If not, then maybe feel a bit better risking Dubnyk or Deslauriers.

    As long as we get SOMEONE down there, they’ll be OK ;)

  5. Racki says:

    I’ve updated this post with my thoughts on what will happen with our roster.

  6. Trogdor says:

    Generally agree with your sentiments on who to keep but I’m in what I think is the minorty on goaltenders and prefer JDD. I think management will keep Dubs though.

  7. Steve-O says:

    My thoughts on what should happen:
    Forwards – Penner, Horcoff, Hemsky, Paajarvi, Gagner, Eberle, Cogliano, Brule, Fraser, Jones, Reddox, Omark, MacIntyre, O’Marra
    Defense – Gilbert, Whitney, Foster, Smid, Vandermeer, Petiot, Peckham
    Goalies – Khabibulin, Dubnyk

    My thoughts on what will happen:
    Forwards – Penner, Horcoff, Hemsky, Paajarvi, Gagner, Eberle, Cogliano, Brule, Fraser, Hall, Jones, Reddox, Stortini, MacIntyre
    Defense – Gilbert, Whitney, Foster, Smid, Vandermeer, Strudwick, Peckham
    Goalies – Khabibulin, Dubnyk

  8. Racki says:

    Trogdor: Generally agree with your sentiments on who to keep but I’m in what I think is the minorty on goaltenders and prefer JDD.I think management will keep Dubs though.

    I honestly don’t think either are particularly good. To me they’re our Conklin/Markanen more than a Garon/Roloson… but given playing styles and familiarity with most people, I chose to relate them that way. Anyways, I’m not sure we’re any better off with either goaltender.

    Deslauriers $1.05M might scare more people off though than Doobie’s $800k, when it comes to potential waiver claims.

  9. mrgod2u says:

    I have no idea why Strudwick keeps getting the nod. He is barely adequate as a stay at home d-man. He just looks slow out there. His toughness is a bit of a plus, and he can also function as as even less effective forward given the need. I imagine that has been part of the rationale in keeping him. He can plug any kind of hole in the lineup given injury need, but that is hardly the mentality that you build a championship team around. I’d rather see a younger guy give it all, make some mistakes, and learn on the job. .

  10. Racki says:

    It’s been made clear in the media why Strudwick is here. He relates to the kids really well.

    As I joked before, he bridges the gap between Shawn Horcoff, Nikolai Khabibulin and the 30 kids that make up this organization. I think that need is gone now that the stuff veterans club has been disbanded. Horcoff really gets along well with the kids too. I like Strudwick.. hell of a personality and a local guy. I’m sure he keeps things pretty light in the dressing room. But I think we have to make room for the new wave.

  11. Racki says:

    Gerber seems unaware that the possibility of playing in OKC was there:

    “Just spoke with Martin Gerber… understandably disappointed, wants to play in the NHL. Says he hasn’t considered maybe having to play in the AHL”. In fairness, I think there is a good shot Minny claims him anyways, unfortunately.

    Principe says:

    “Gerber understands why he’s on waivers.. he enjoyed his time with EDM. Still wants to play in NHL. Gerber did take some baby steps in his play” (oh Gene…)

  12. gr8one says:

    If Strudwick makes this team and we lose anyone of Petiot/Belle/Peckham because of it, I will lose my mind. I love Struds character but he is an absolutely brutal defenseman. Probably the worst D man in the league last year, and now he’s just another year older, and another year slower. He has no business taking a roster spot.

    If the organization loves him that much, offer him a coaching position, him and Steve Smith can help the young guys out, hell even let him skate/participate in drills and stuff during practices as a sort of non-roster player/coach.

    P.S.

    This site is still ridiculously and painfully slow for me, and I’ve looked in to everything on my end…nothing has helped, so if I don’t see ya’ll before the draft[s] on Sunday, I’ll see you then! Don’t forget people!

  13. Racki says:

    Sent you an e-mail gr8one. The site is hosted in California (or somewhere in the Western U.S. anyways.. I think Cali). The other guys here (meaning Trogdor, Steve-O and me) haven’t had slowness issues. So it might unfrotunately be something network related (i.e. between you and the host somewhere). But I sent you an e-mail with question, and will likely prod some more.. and maybe we can figure out where the issue is. The sucky thing with any website is it only takes one crappy router along the way between you and the site host for things to get slow.

  14. chucker says:

    gr8one: If Strudwick makes this team and we lose anyone of Petiot/Belle/Peckham because of it, I will lose my mind. I love Struds character but he is an absolutely brutal defenseman. Probably the worst D man in the league last year, and now he’s just another year older, and another year slower. He has no business taking a roster spot. If the organization loves him that much, offer him a coaching position, him and Steve Smith can help the young guys out, hell even let him skate/participate in drills and stuff during practices as a sort of non-roster player/coach.P.S.This site is still ridiculously and painfully slow for me, and I’ve looked in to everything on my end…nothing has helped, so if I don’t see ya’ll before the draft[s] on Sunday, I’ll see you then! Don’t forget people!

    Yeah, I agree on the thouhgts of losing one of those guys for the sake of Struds. I’d blow a minor blood vessel too.

    I understand why they signed him, but at some point the coach needs to keep the guys he wants too. That’s likely the most frustrating thing about Renney’s assesments is that they have to all be considered because of contract status. I’d much rather put Studs on waivers than Petiot or Belle too. I doubt it happens unfortunately.

    Struds has been through waivers a number of times over the years. I doubt anyone would pick him if on waivers, which means he would always be available for recall, and same thing on passing recall waivers for him.

  15. Racki says:

    I agree on the Strudwick sentiments. I hope Renney (and co.) surprises me by doing what I think will be best for the team. I like Strudwick a lot, but I’m not sure if the team needs his personality as much as it used to. We don’t see what goes on in the dressing room, plane rides, etc. though, and you do need leaders. But I think Horcoff is already proving to be a great mentor for at least the forward young group.

    I think they can get by.. ;)

  16. Dman says:

    The fact that the oilers would be willing to give up a potential 3rd or 4th future defenseman for the likes of Strudwick makes no sense. But then again that seems to be the calling card for the oilers in past years. handing out retarded contracts to indviduals that didnt deserve them. I think they should send down both young goaltenders and hope at least one clears, use gerber as the back up and start looking for a goaltender with a lot more potential than either of JDD or Dub.

  17. chucker says:

    I think it’s worth noting that Renney sent Struds down several times in NYR when he was younger and better. I have to think if he’s not sent down that the decision is not Renney’s.

    Also, is anyone else kind of wondering if Fraser is any good? Maybe he’s playing like a vet that has a job and nothing to worry about, but quite frankly, I’ve been very neutral on the guy. That is to say, he has not impressed me in a way that I have to say “He’s the guy.” Having said that, I have to think this is another guy who has a job because Tambi traded for him. Maybe, maybe not but I think so. Jones I think stays as well. He’s got the size advantage and if he plays like he did last night, then Reddox is waived instead.

  18. Bostonoiler says:

    Word is the Wild will not be placing a claim on Gerber, and he will make it down to OKC. No word on Souray. Petry, Plante and Chorney all needed AHL time. Good move by Renney there.

    My bet for next cuts:
    O’Marra, Giroux, Vande Velde, Jones, Strudwick, Petiot and JDD.

    Dubynk wins backup goalie job, Liam Reddox gets the 4th line role, and we keep 2 extra defedners in Peckham and Belle. That would be the smart thing.

  19. Spartacus says:

    When you sign a two-way contract, how can you say you that it never occurred to you that you might have to play in the minors? That’s just dumb.

    The only surprises left in the Souray Situation is whether they re-enter him or make him ride the bus. And of course whether or not Souray will report. Things just got interesting.

    I would’ve exposed Deslauriers to waivers before Gerber. I’m just tired of this guy… we drafted him like 10 years ago and we’re still waiting to see if he’s a player or not. To me, the contract they gave JD this year is “Sorry for fucking up your development” money. After this season I say cut him loose.

  20. chucker says:

    Spartacus: When you sign a two-way contract, how can you say you that it never occurred to you that you might have to play in the minors? That’s just dumb.The only surprises left in the Souray Situation is whether they re-enter him or make him ride the bus. And of course whether or not Souray will report. Things just got interesting.I would’ve exposed Deslauriers to waivers before Gerber. I’m just tired of this guy… we drafted him like 10 years ago and we’re still waiting to see if he’s a player or not. To me, the contract they gave JD this year is “Sorry for fucking up your development” money. After this season I say cut him loose.

    Well, I think it would be a shock if they didn’t move one of these guys after this year should they do nothing of value in terms of potential starters. Perhaps if one shows they can be a good backup, that’s likely the best case, and they both seem to be able to develop under pressure well. Having said that, I wound’t shed a tear for either of them leaving if we had something better in the hand. Roy looks to be the next focus anyways. JDD and DD seem to have no confidence placed in them due to the length of Khabbi’s deal.

    As for Souray not reporting, not gonna happen. He’s got 10.8 million reasons to ride a bus for two years and he knows now that his value is very low. Could be his last contract.

  21. Kokoling says:

    Khabibulin should have been the goalie put on waivers. The Oilers have made a huge mistake again!!!

  22. chucker says:

    I think they were quietly hoping he would have been in jail and could have voided him. Now that’s all up in the air.

  23. YDNAR says:

    I agree on the sour eh comment I think this is his last shot at the nhl. I think personally that its a good thing that players price themselves out of future contracts cause of a couple good years, contracts like his will help some smarter GMs to keep some contracts more realistic.
    Sometimes I wish the nhl contract was not guaranteed but then you would have guys like retarded Lou giving his house to get Kovy .
    In most ways I like the way the NHL does things ……sometimes ….most times I think you should be stuck with the contract you give …….I also do believe that the salary for the contact should be against your cap hit but I am not a billionaire paying these guys your stuck with cause or some guy that worked here a few or 10 years ago (.in Lou’s case

  24. Mr.Majestyk says:

    Re Gerber: What else was he expecting? He did allow 1 goal in the entire pre-season, that is unacceptable ;) He did everything in his power to make the team, and clearly it was a foregone conclusion because it really didn’t matter what he did, it was more important what the others did.

    Sort of off topic, but along the lines of the Souray thing. As YDNAR mentioned Souray being priced out of the market and how he might get sent to the AHL as a result. I believe it was James Duthie that made a good point of how the NHL prides itself on having the best players in the world, but the way some of the contracts and CBA are affecting things, an NHL calibre player might not be playing in the NHL. Many teams would be interested in him, if not for the massive contract. Of course Duthie wasn’t talking about Souray at the time, he was talking about Wade Redden. By the way, anyone hear anything about Redden reporting to Hartford? I was listening to the radio the other morning and the sports guy was doing his take on it and they said that it was interesting because he was assigned but had not yet reported. Could that be the ‘Sykora’ clause where instead of being bought out, the player just tells the team he’d rather void the contract and look for another job in the NHL. Would be interesting but thats a lot of dough left on the table.

  25. Haboiler says:

    They both cleared waivers today. Good news that Gerber doesn’t need to go on re-entry waivers when/if recalled.

  26. Steve-O says:

    Mr.Majestyk: y the way, anyone hear anything about Redden reporting to Hartford?

    Only thing I heard is that his agent said he’d report.

    I also read something about how Redden is being punished for being offered a crazy contract, and how he shouldn’t be punished for it while Sather gets away with no punishment but I can’t remember where I read it. Probably the same thing you read.

  27. Steve-O says:

    Haboiler: They both cleared waivers today.Good news that Gerber doesn’t need to go on re-entry waivers when/if recalled.

    That is good news (re: Gerber). I didn’t know that, but when Khabibulin goes to the shitter we can recall Gerber easily.

  28. Mr.Majestyk says:

    Steve-O: Only thing I heard is that his agent said he’d report.I also read something about how Redden is being punished for being offered a crazy contract, and how he shouldn’t be punished for it while Sather gets away with no punishment but I can’t remember where I read it. Probably the same thing you read.

    It was actually Tencer’s interview on Ched with James Duthie where I heard it, didn’t actually read it. The Redden not reporting was something I heard on the radio locally(Ontario), not sure what the facts are. I might do some digging.

  29. chucker says:

    Wow. I’d be shocked at Redden if he didn’t report. That’s way more money than he’d ever hope to get again. Dumb move if you ask me. Then again, maybe he just wants to play at the NHL level.

    I bet he reports. He knows a team is likely to snap him up on recall waivers at some point, if Sather is willing to recall him.

    Big dollars at stake there.

    I agree the CBA is hurting the talent in the league. Every year there are guys who you know are NHL calibre left without jobs or signing for league minumum. I know the GM’s are to blame in lots of this in poor cap management, but there should be a clause in the CBA for one marquee player/team that does not count against the cap. Then again, the GM’s would just be dumb and fritter away that extra cap room.

  30. Mr.Majestyk says:

    I found a NY newspaper site that said he did in fact report. It was Meehan that said he would report to Hartford but I guess he had not reported on the day they were expecting which lead some to believe he was considering not reporting. He already met with reporters in Hartford and was interviewed.

    You’re right chucker, at this stage in his career, he’d be crazy to walk away from that money. The best thing he could do if he was motivated enough would be to dominate in the AHL and at some point try and work his way back to an NHL job. He’s probably beyond that point though. Looks like his career will go out with a whimper.

  31. mrgod2u says:

    I am of the opinion that the player has to play up to the salary they sign for. If I give you $500,000 to build a house for me and you drop off a dog house I think I am justifiably upset.

    So instead of players getting their agents to get them the craziest contract out there players might start demanding a contract they can fulfill… Sounds like the CBA working for a change.

    It is the same with these front-loaded contracts, seemed like a great idea at the time, but look at some of the teams getting burned by them. So the contracts out there pendulem around for a while (some guys over paid, some under) and in the end it settles to a more reasonable point.

    What I still find amazing is that 10-15 guys on a hockey board here seem to have a better grasp of how the CBA works than some GM’s.

  32. chucker says:

    Mr.Majestyk: I found a NY newspaper site that said he did in fact report. It was Meehan that said he would report to Hartford but I guess he had not reported on the day they were expecting which lead some to believe he was considering not reporting. He already met with reporters in Hartford and was interviewed.You’re right chucker, at this stage in his career, he’d be crazy to walk away from that money. The best thing he could do if he was motivated enough would be to dominate in the AHL and at some point try and work his way back to an NHL job. He’s probably beyond that point though. Looks like his career will go out with a whimper.

    Yeah, it’s a shame. I really liked him as a player before he went to NYR. His game just fell off a cliff once he signed that deal. I know he didn’t have the best year in Ottawa before he left either.

    I wonder if it’s injuries catching up or just that he’s hit the wall similar to how Jason Smith did. I guess at some point, a player over 30 just pancakes.

    I think we’ve been used to seeing lots of guys over 30 play well on D and that’s not usually the norm. (over the last few years) Historically, most D men are done by 33 if they even get there.

    I guess father time catches up with even the best.

    EDIT: Interesting article on Souray by Jones today: http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Columnists/Jones/2010/09/30/15540456.html

  33. NorwegianOiler says:

    Ironically, a Souray-Redden pairing would be considered elite a few years ago.

  34. Steve-O says:

    mrgod2u: I am of the opinion that the player has to play up to the salary they sign for.

    I’m actually of the opposite opinion. If some dumbass GM wants to sign JFJ to a 10 mil/year 25 year contract then go for it. They just need to live with their mistake, which I don’t think is currently happening. We have seen all off-season where GM’s are burying mistakes.

    I can’t blame the player for signing the contract. Just like Khabibulin did. He even said he was surprised by the offer. And now Tambellini has to live with the mistake (even though he doesn’t think it is yet).

  35. chucker says:

    Steve-O: I’m actually of the opposite opinion. If some dumbass GM wants to sign JFJ to a 10 mil/year 25 year contract then go for it. They just need to live with their mistake, which I don’t think is currently happening. We have seen all off-season where GM’s are burying mistakes.I can’t blame the player for signing the contract. Just like Khabibulin did. He even said he was surprised by the offer. And now Tambellini has to live with the mistake (even though he doesn’t think it is yet).

    I’m not so sure that Tambi isn’t secretly kicking himself in the butt for this signing. He has been very dissappointed with Khabbi for obvious reasons despite all the “MVP” rhetoric.

    I think we’ll definitely see some things changed in the next CBA with regards to large contracts and assignment/salary sharing with teams etc. (trading for part of salary/absorbing salary via trade)

    I think we’d see a lot more trades and player certainty if a team could agree to pay part of salary without waivers in trades. It just seems like the next step to me.

  36. Steve-O says:

    Mr.Majestyk:
    It was actually Tencer’s interview on Ched with James Duthie where I heard it, didn’t actually read it.The Redden not reporting was something I heard on the radio locally(Ontario), not sure what the facts are.I might do some digging.

    I now remember where I read it. It was Elliotte Friedmans new 30 thoughts.

  37. mrgod2u says:

    Sure they GM has to live with his mistake, just like the player has to live with getting buried in the minors when they fail to live up to it. Maybe players will start thinking of that before they sign these deals. It should go both ways and I’m not going to be sad for any player who signs big money, does nothing to earn it, then loses his career in the minors. They are adults and in business just like the gm’s

  38. gr8one says:

    Steve-O:
    I’m actually of the opposite opinion.If some dumbass GM wants to sign JFJ to a 10 mil/year 25 year contract then go for it.They just need to live with their mistake, which I don’t think is currently happening.We have seen all off-season where GM’s are burying mistakes.I can’t blame the player for signing the contract.Just like Khabibulin did.He even said he was surprised by the offer.And now Tambellini has to live with the mistake (even though he doesn’t think it is yet).

    I totally disagree with that, I think guaranteed contracts are ridiculous. If you don’t earn your money, you shouldn’t get paid. period.

    It’s pretty simple, for the vast majority of the world, if you don’t perform up to your expectations and give full value for what you earn, you get shit canned.

    If you decide to publicly deride your employer and state loud and clear that you don’t want to work for them anymore, ok bye. I can’t really understand why it should be any different for an athlete.

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