Coaching changes…

By , June 22, 2010 1:15 pm

Today, Steve Tambellini held a press conference to announce that Pat Quinn would be promoted to Senior Advisor (which means he now gets to use his vast array of 1930s references and vague expressions on a new set of people slightly closer to his age). With Pat Quinn moved up, Tom Renney has been named to Head Coach. Still no word on what is in store for Kelly Buchberger and Wayne Fleming.

Was it the right move to bump Quinn out of the Head Coach position?

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38 Responses to “Coaching changes…”

  1. Racki says:

    Sooo.. question about O’Sullivan/Nilsson.. you guys think that they’ll keep them around now and try and re-salvage them under a new coach?

  2. Bostonoiler says:

    Great move by the Oil. I liked Pat alot, but I really think that he lost control of the room and simply was not the right guy here. I think Renney is the correct guy for the job and will not disapoint Tambi nad the fans. As for Fleming, I believe he will retire, and that Buchberger will be back on as an assistant next season. I wonder who the 3rd guy who the bench will be next season. Should be very interesting

  3. Racki says:

    Maybe they need some young blood in there, behind the bench.

  4. mrgod2u says:

    Well crap, now I need a new sig picture… Although a new year is a good time for a new sig. I expected this next season but obviously Quinn had had enough. I think this was a move on his part more than one that the brass dictated. Renney will be good, I hope, I mean it isn’t like we have anywhere lower to go.

  5. Steve-O says:

    I’m happy, because I wanted Renney as the coach a year ago. Actually, I would have loved Tippett, but he wasn’t available at the time.

    Renney is a coach much like Mac T so that works for me.

  6. Racki says:

    Jason Gregor of Oilers Nation has a good article up on Quinn. A bit of confirmation that it was indeed a problem of Quinn not being able to relate to the kids.

    It wasn’t easy for Tambellini, but I think it was the right move for the organization and for Pat Quinn. Quinn wouldn’t agree with me based on his comments in his presser today. Quinn admitted this wasn’t his decision, nor does he look at it as a promotion.

    “I wanted to see immediate improvement with the kids, and it was up and down but I didn’t see it happen fast enough. I still think we need to hold the players in that room more accountable,” said Quinn.

    Those comments prove why Quinn wasn’t going to fit this coming season, because the team is going to be even younger and I suspect they will make more mistakes. Quinn has always been a coach who favoured his veterans and the Oilers won’t have many this season I’d suspect, so I don’t see how Quinn would have been successful in 2010.

    Tom Renney will need to be very patient, and he admitted at the press conference his demeanor and memory, or lack thereof, will play a large role in the development of his young players. He will need to be more of a teacher than a coach this year. Implementing and executing the correct system will be his main focus, and ensuring that the young players understand the message.

  7. Racki says:

    Oh Canadian Press has good info up too that talks about how Renney taking over for Quinn was always in the cards.. but it was just accelerated this season:

    General manager Steve Tambellini says there had always been a succession plan that would see Renney take over for Quinn. But he admitted during a news conference Tuesday in Edmonton that the plan had been accelerated. “We spoke last year about bringing these two men in with a wealth of experience in winning, teaching, credibility and leadership,” Tambellini said. “When you look at a plan that was in place when I discussed with Pat before he came here as far as a succession plan, the idea, for me, was that after Year 2 I would ask him to take this position as senior hockey adviser.” But Tambellini said after such a disappointing season, he decided make the change now. “Obviously, with what happened this year, in regard to the depth of our organization, the fact that we’re rebuilding the Oilers, the fact that we’re going to be young, it made sense to me over the last couple of months when I’d been thinking about this, and how we want to do this, our plan is basically being accelerated by one year,” said Tambellini.

  8. chucker says:

    Well, that’s a fantastic gift for my 40th!! I like Quinn, but he just isn’t down with the kids. Like I said, this is what I think Quinn sounds like to all the players.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARXfQzfl9EQ

    BTW, does anyone have five bees for a quarter?

  9. Racki says:

    haha, yah honestly, the “five bees for a quarter” episode of the Simpsons is how I think of Quinn’s rants.

  10. victoriaoilerfan says:

    Racki wrote:

    haha, yah honestly, the “five bees for a quarter” episode of the Simpsons is how I think of Quinn’s rants.

    Quinn was fired, plain and simple. What does an “advisor” do exactly but play out his contract and disappear. To me that is what they did with Lowe, but they should have given him the boot, but I digress.
    Can Renney be the guy for this team, I am not so sure? He is a real video chalk board guy. Not saying that is bad, but it is what it is. My vote is in my pocket for now. Frankly I am not so sure at this point the Oilers will not be the same team as last year. The guy that may be the most important is the guy in Okie next year with the Barons. Frankly most of the new guys need to be there IMO other than HAll if we draft him.
    P.S. I am really bummed out that the B’s 15 is gone. A lot of middle draft talent we could use just disappeared. IMO.

  11. Racki says:

    victoriaoilerfan wrote:

    The guy that may be the most important is the guy in Okie next year with the Barons. Frankly most of the new guys need to be there IMO other than HAll if we draft him.
    P.S. I am really bummed out that the B’s 15 is gone. A lot of middle draft talent we could use just disappeared. IMO.

    Agreed that the OKC coach will be very important. I don’t think he’d do it, but being a guy that didn’t appreciate MacT as coach here, I always thought he would be a GREAT AHL coach. I think he can teach these kids quite a bit. But that won’t happen.

    Anyways, who says we can’t trade with Florida for that #15, or trade with another team? Don’t lose hope just yet.. ;)

  12. Steve-O says:

    Racki wrote:

    but being a guy that didn’t appreciate MacT as coach here

    your going to love renney then

  13. Racki says:

    I’m already prepared to get my hate on.

    Unretiring the paper bag.

  14. gr8one says:

    I wasn’t really a fan of Renney becoming Head coach, if only because his coaching style was similar to MacT, however, after hearing him at the presser today.

    To paraphrase, he basically said that he wants to bring some structure to the team, yet still leave enough leeway to let the players be creative offensively, he said something along the lines of “let them step on the odd banana peel, without them having to worry too much, but just make sure they learn from it”

    And well, to me that seems to be a pretty damned good coaching philosophy to have for a young, skilled hockey team.

  15. Racki says:

    Talk is cheap, but that’s a good philosophy to have though and one that really could work.. now can he be true to his word?

  16. LateNightOilFan says:

    gr8one wrote:

    I wasn’t really a fan of Renney becoming Head coach, if only because his coaching style was similar to MacT, however, after hearing him at the presser today.
    To paraphrase, he basically said that he wants to bring some structure to the team, yet still leave enough leeway to let the players be creative offensively, he said something along the lines of “let them step on the odd banana peel, without them having to worry too much, but just make sure they learn from it”
    And well, to me that seems to be a pretty damned good coaching philosophy to have for a young, skilled hockey team.

    I haven’t had time to listen to the presser but that sounds like a good philosophy – just like raising teenagers! I think Renney will be fine.

    Anyway, I’m glad Quinn is done and that’s no disrespect to him at all. There were so many times it looked like he was going to have a heart attack on the bench and/or his blood pressure was about to go through the roof, just from looking at the increased redness in his face and the speed with which he was chomping on that gum.

  17. dawgtoy says:

    On July 1, when the free agency period starts, Tambellin said, “I think we’ll be active, but we’re not looking for the home run here. We’re looking for some depth players. We need to retool the bottom end of our defence. We need to change maybe a little bit of our bottom six forwards. We’re not looking for that home run through trade or fee agency at this point

    I am very happy with these comments from Tambi, exactly what I was hoping he would say and now hopefully do. The Oil are in complete rebuild mode and simply signing expensive free agents won’t right the ship. Believing in player development and building through the draft. Keeping the assets that we already have and developing them to their full potential, love it. Tough decision, but the right one to make IMO.

  18. Racki says:

    Yah, honestly, it irks me a bit because I’ve been preaching that concept for a while now.. forget the Hossa’s and Jagrs.. sign us some Malhotras and the Gills and players of that ilk. Rebuild mode, or otherwise, we need some glue players. Who gives a rats ass about finding a guy for Hemsky. If we’ve been searching for 4 years for a guy for Hemsky to play with, then Hemsky is the problem (I don’t really believe that, but I don’t think he should be that big of a focus).

    And one more dead horse to beat.. they completely blew the goaltender situation (duh) and should have gone with youth.

  19. neufab says:

    Racki wrote:

    Who gives a rats ass about finding a guy for Hemsky. If we’ve been searching for 4 years for a guy for Hemsky to play with, then Hemsky is the problem (I don’t really believe that, but I don’t think he should be that big of a focus).

    And one more dead horse to beat.. they completely blew the goaltender situation (duh) and should have gone with youth.

    …dead horse… te he he… with the history of the Oilers I’m not sure why fans think that Hemsky is untouchable (the people on this forum seem more level headed), but Hemsky may be the most “touchable” but what ever.

    As for Quinn… they needed a guy like him last year, but that was last year, yet I give Tambellini credit for trying to think outside of the box. In doing so I think Quinn did a great job showing the Oiler uppers exactly just how many holes are in this team. The more things unravel, the more we see just how deep the level of shit is that the Oilers spent years into piling up. Example being the goaltender issue. I suspect the plan may have including Khabi fading off into the sunset as JDD or Dubnyk emerge out of their youth in like fashion as the bride and groom on the much anticipated wedding night ;)

    …Could still happen but I’m a little scared.

  20. Steve-O says:

    Oh come on…Hemsky is not the problem.

    He’s been the best player on the team for the last 4 years, will be next year, the year after that and a good chance (should we keep him) that he will be the best player on the team the year after that.

    And on a beauty contract.

  21. Racki says:

    You probably stopped reading after “then Hemsky is the problem”, as immediately after that I said “(I don’t really believe that, but I don’t think he should be that big of a focus)”. Meaning, I think Hemsky is a very good player, but we spent the last 4 or more years trying to build a team 100% around him… focusing completely on him. Hossa, Penner, Vanek, Jagr, Heatley… they were all about players who were attempted (or successfully) to be brought in for Hemsky’s sake, and simple solutions that would have helped the team quite a bit were completely ignored.

    I don’t think HEMSKY himself is the problem, but the complete focus by management on Hemsky was a big problem, yes… possibly you could even say *the* problem. I think if management cleans things up a bit and finds some glue players, we’ll see a season where we compete to make the playoffs. Remember this post.. :P

  22. Bostonoiler says:

    I think Hemsky is our best player, but I think it was a mistake trying to bring in guys to play with him. Trust me last summer I wanted Heatley, the year before that Hossa and Jagr etc, etc. Looking back on it though, all those moves would have been mistakes. The ironic part of this all, is that Friday night we draft the player to take Hemsky’s passes. He is going to be an All-Star this season with us. Hemsky isn’t the problem, but like Racki said, its how they tried to bring guys in for him while ignoring more pressing needs

  23. neufab says:

    Clearly Hemsky is the best player, I’m in no way disputing that. I agree with what you say Racki, my point is simply that he is fair game just like any of the other great Oilers throughout the years. His contract is nice for now, but it is soon up for renewal. He is not the cornerstone of this team. He is a great #2 in spite of his public comments to be the go to guy. The future of the Oilers hinges largely on this years draft and not just Taylor/ or Tyler.

    There is a unique opportunity for the Oilers to make a splash to restructure the team using what it has to build a GREAT team for years to come. In order for the GM to dump the overpaid under-performing vets he will need to sweeten the pot. I can’t see Hemsky retiring as an Oiler, so why not go for it all during an off season where fans expect to see one their favorites head out of town.

    The problem I’ve had is that I look at the Oiler roster and I like the players we have. The issue being that they are too many of the same guy. Furthermore, as you look at what the roster may look like in a few years with MPS, Eberle, and the 1st pick this year, add in Gagner, Brule, Penner, Hemsky, Cogliano, the top 6 spots get a little crowded.

    I’m just saying, right or wrong, I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened. I would like to see him with talent on his line, but the Oilers look like they’re ready to throw the baby out with the bath water. Tambellini will make the deal if there is one to be made. The Oilers need a center, and they will likely draft a winger. I can picture Spezza as an Oiler, and Hemsky lighting it up in the Eastern Conference.

  24. LateNightOilFan says:

    chucker wrote:

    Well, that’s a fantastic gift for my 40th!! I like Quinn, but he just isn’t down with the kids. Like I said, this is what I think Quinn sounds like to all the players.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARXfQzfl9EQ
    BTW, does anyone have five bees for a quarter?

    Took me a while to clue in, and now a bit late, but Happy Birthday!

    Who needs five bees for a quarter when you’ve got an onion on your belt, just like Quinn, right!

  25. chucker says:

    LateNightOilFan wrote:

    chucker wrote:
    Well, that’s a fantastic gift for my 40th!! I like Quinn, but he just isn’t down with the kids. Like I said, this is what I think Quinn sounds like to all the players.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARXfQzfl9EQ
    BTW, does anyone have five bees for a quarter?
    Took me a while to clue in, and now a bit late, but Happy Birthday!
    Who needs five bees for a quarter when you’ve got an onion on your belt, just like Quinn, right!

    Exactly and thanks. It was the style at the time and we had to use white onions because of the war…

  26. ydnar says:

    I am thinking that Tambi is feeling the pressure from Quinn and that is the real reason for the move. I think that Quinn has called Tambi on some non moves ….. Just my little thoughts is all … You know put Quinn where he is not allowed to talk as much and wonder about the GM and maybe take his job ?

  27. Steve-O says:

    Awesome…apparently Quinn only found out about it after coming out of the HHOF vote.

    Or so says 630 ched. Brian Hall said that Quinn was mighty surprised about the move.

  28. Racki says:

    I’m not surprised that this is how he heard. Jesus… way to fuel the rumors that you are poor at communicating and tactless, Tambellini.

  29. Racki says:

    Steve-O wrote:

    Awesome…apparently Quinn only found out about it after coming out of the HHOF vote.

    Or so says 630 ched. Brian Hall said that Quinn was mighty surprised about the move.

    I think the reports have been exaggerated…

    From Darren Dreger:

    Renney understood the Oilers succession plan and knew his time would come, but he wasn’t willing to take control a year early without Quinn’s blessing which came Monday night.

  30. MetalOil says:

    Well looks like things got a lil crazy while I was gone. I think handing the keys over to Renney had to be done but I really hope we can hire a quality assistant from outside the organization to make the bench stronger. I read in a Journal article that Bucky may be asked to take the head coaching gig in OKC. I really hope that this is not the case.

  31. victoriaoilerfan says:

    MetalOil wrote:

    Well looks like things got a lil crazy while I was gone. I think handing the keys over to Renney had to be done but I really hope we can hire a quality assistant from outside the organization to make the bench stronger. I read in a Journal article that Bucky may be asked to take the head coaching gig in OKC. I really hope that this is not the case.

    Bucky in Okie…yukky! Please get an energetic hockey guy with NO affiliation with the OBC. The future of our team rests with what we do on Okie IMO.

  32. chucker says:

    Quinn is sure bitchin’ it up today. Canoe had an article about how he’s dissappointed and doesn’t see this as a promotion etc. It’s written by Jones, who has an agenda, but interesting none the less. http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Edmonton/2010/06/22/14480646.html

  33. Mr.Majestyk says:

    It just always seems like no matter what happens in Edmonton there is always a certain amount of controversy surrounding it. Why is that?

  34. gr8one says:

    It becomes more apparent every day that the management in this organization has some serious issues with communicating.

  35. chucker says:

    @ Mr.Majestyk:
    I tend to think that this (Quinn) is likely him puffing his chest out a bit. He was contacted Monday night about it, but the time lapse at the end of the season without Tambi talking to him is concerning. I wonder if Quinn sticks around if that decision was made a month ago?

    It’s the right decision and I’m thinking Tambi has made some tough calls that were the right ones, it’s him timing and communications that are perceived to be lacking. However, it fits right in with Katz’s persona of being unattainable to the media for anything.

    I would suggest that they really need to hire an assistant GM who is fantastic with the media to offset Tambi’s constant interviews of nothing and how these things seem to be unfolding.

    As for Quinn moving upstairs, everyone and their dog new this would happen once he figured out which players sucked and which ones didn’t. That’s what he was hired for and Tambi has likley heard all he needs to/wants to from Quinn as a coach and now feels more comfortable with Renney at the helm in such a critical year. I do too.

    Quinn has had management jobs before, so he knows what he is moving into despite his grumpiness. I just don’t think it was on his terms, even though he knew it would be happening, it happened sooner than he expected.

  36. Racki says:

    I am happy with Quinn in the head office. I think he would be good there, and I think he has a decent eye for talent. He can call a spade a spade. I hope he takes more of a liking to it, but I understand that he’s more of a “hands on” kind of guy.

    As far as Katz being unavailable to media.. I’m fine with that. But he’s a good communicator with players… we’ve heard a few stories about him calling up Heatley… having dinner with Hall, etc. He might seem like a bit of a crazed fan to them though.

  37. victoriaoilerfan says:

    Racki wrote:

    I am happy with Quinn in the head office. I think he would be good there, and I think he has a decent eye for talent. He can call a spade a spade. I hope he takes more of a liking to it, but I understand that he’s more of a “hands on” kind of guy.
    As far as Katz being unavailable to media.. I’m fine with that. But he’s a good communicator with players… we’ve heard a few stories about him calling up Heatley… having dinner with Hall, etc. He might seem like a bit of a crazed fan to them though.

    I have to take the other side on this one Rakki. I think Quinn will be a problem in head office. He does call a spade a spade and that isn’t something that is going to go down well with Tambi/Renney IMO. Pat is a stubborn Irishman who is not going to let his opinions get ignored. I see fireworks on the horizon. Pat doesn’t take crap from anyone. I have not ever mentioned this but I have met Pat and his wife on several close social occasions. He is an intimidating guy with a LOT of pride.
    I can email you the circumstances of the social occasion if you like, but I don’t like to talk about people on the open net.

  38. chucker says:

    victoriaoilerfan wrote:

    Racki wrote:
    I am happy with Quinn in the head office. I think he would be good there, and I think he has a decent eye for talent. He can call a spade a spade. I hope he takes more of a liking to it, but I understand that he’s more of a “hands on” kind of guy.
    As far as Katz being unavailable to media.. I’m fine with that. But he’s a good communicator with players… we’ve heard a few stories about him calling up Heatley… having dinner with Hall, etc. He might seem like a bit of a crazed fan to them though.
    I have to take the other side on this one Rakki. I think Quinn will be a problem in head office. He does call a spade a spade and that isn’t something that is going to go down well with Tambi/Renney IMO. Pat is a stubborn Irishman who is not going to let his opinions get ignored. I see fireworks on the horizon. Pat doesn’t take crap from anyone. I have not ever mentioned this but I have met Pat and his wife on several close social occasions. He is an intimidating guy with a LOT of pride.
    I can email you the circumstances of the social occasion if you like, but I don’t like to talk about people on the open net.

    Well, Quinn has always had this baggage with his temper and pride. It got him runout of Toronto, same in Vancouver. I ten to agree with you Vic. I get the feeling that this move was done after they got all the information they had hoped Quinn would provide about the state of the players, they got it, and likely kept hearing, and kept hearing etc. etc.

    In otherwords, I get the feeling that he did his job a little too well and wouldn’t shut the f up and quite frankly, he’s criticized management from day one, even if it’s in a back handed kind of way. He did it again in that article I posted.

    Lowe and Tambs will tire of his shit. Just watch.

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